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  1. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Bayless seems to be trying to fundamentally change the way he plays, kind of like how Tiger Woods completely broke down his swing in order to improve. Summer league was disappointing if you were hoping to see him finishing up that revolution in his game. If, however, you realize the guy is only 21 and we don't need him for significant minutes for another year or two, what's the rush in coming to judgment?

    Our days of trading into the lottery are probably over. Contending teams just don't do that much. But we've got a lottery level talent to keep on the back burner for a couple of years, so why not just wait and see what happens?

    On paper he seems like he'll be an ideal fit next to Roy in a few years. What other team could we trade him to where you could say that he seems like an ideal fit next to a cornerstone shooting guard? I can't think of any. Most teams would rather try to develop a more well-rounded, pass-first PG. So he probably has more value to us than to any possible trading partner we could have.

    Is he on the Travis Outlaw/Martel Webster plan where you have to wait 4 or 5 years to know what you've got? I don't think so. He's already shown far more in one summer league than either of those guys did in their first couple of years.

    By this time next year, after a season playing third string PG and one more summer league, I think we should have a pretty good idea of whether we want to keep him or not.
     
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    I know everyone wants to bow down to Roy's "All-Around" greatness, but he does have some things to work on....

    I think Roy is a good passer, but Miller is a much better pick and roll player...and better at finding easy opportunities for his big men...I thought there were times when Roy missed setting up Oden or Rudy for example on some easy passes and opted to force the issue himself or pass off to Blake\Outlaw instead....

    I don't think Miller will have that problem....

    and having 2 players (Roy & Miller) who can force the issue at the rim is good for the team overall....
     
  3. RoyIsClutch07

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    Miller will make a huge impact.

    If Coach allows it.
     
  4. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Definitely. Also, great passing can become contagious. Roy has always been the best passer on his team. (Well, technically there was Sergio, but it's not like he was any kind of role model for Roy.)

    My hope is that Roy playing next to Miller will open Roy's eyes to passes he just doesn't risk right now. Particularly the lobs to Oden, Aldridge and Fernandez.
     
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    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    You seem to be really into "PERS" . . . what is Bayless' PER?

    I don't know where to find that stat . . .
     
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    I'll find it, but it is fugly.....and I mean fugly


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    Sergio is better then bayless. Enough said!!!
     
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    I would be curious to see what Bayless' PER was when Blake was out and he knew he was going to play 20 minutes a night?

    I know his numbers all went up, but I don't know about his PER
     
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    PER this PER that. It doesn't really matter to me. Just watch the game you can tell who is doing the right things out there and who is making things happen. Batum is a great example of that. His value does not how up in the stat book. Bayless is a bust.
     
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    If we are going off the naked eye, Bayless looked great. He can get to the rim, he defends the pick and roll so our bigs don't have to switch, other defenders have to play him to drive meaning another wing probably has an extra foot of space to get off a shot because he is on the floor and he gets the entire team fired up when he is out there.
     
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    I'd love to sign n trade Bayless to MIL for Sessions at maybe 3 yrs at 9-10 Mil. Sessions IS a PG, Bayless may never be one, sessions learns from Blake/Miller and takes over if he's able in a few years.
     
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    I could not disagree more. Yeah bayless gets to the rim, VS CRAPPY TEAMS THAT LET YOU. then when he plays a team that actually has a heartbeat on defense he drives to the basket with his head down and has complete TUNNEL vision and forces a shot either gets stuffed or is way off. I seen enough. This Zebra is not changing his stripes he is what he is. Trade him for a case of mirror pond.
     
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    But that's what you do Oden.

    Is Disagree.
     
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    Man you trash Blake and then think that of Bayless. I can see why you dislike Nate . . . I think you would probably dislike all coaches since every coach would play Blake many more minutes than Bayless.

    I don't see this greatness you are talking about . . .but I do like your optimism with Bayless.
     
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    I am right.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    How can you say Bayless is a bust so quickly. End of game garbage minutes is no way to judge a player good or bad.
     
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    I have seen more then that. He is a bust for a lottery pick. BIG TIME. he's a undersized 2 guard who cant shoot. he's not seeing starting minutes on bad teams. If you know basketball you don't have to see much else. Just watch him play for 10 mins. he is an athlete with no bball iq. he will fit in great with the clippers next year.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    I agree he is an undersized 2 guard, but I like his game. Instant offense off the bench. Now with the signing of Dre, his future with us is up in the air, but I think it is way too early to give up on a player with that much talent.
     
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    Bayless is good. He just needs a little time.
     
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    u wanna win???? if u do then get at me.
     

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