<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Apr 13 2006, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think that AI's stock shouldn't drop for about 3 more years so i think you can hold on to him for a little bit longer....let him coach Andre for a few more years because he is going to be the face of the Sixers for the future. I personally think that AI's supporting cast isnt that bad this year.....there 2 centers arent bad in Sammy D and Steven Hunter and I think that Chris Webber is having a good year.....so I think that AI is to blame for the average season this year but I say hold on to him for a couple more and see what he can do....</div>AI's not at fault. It's everyone's poor defense, namely webber.
Dirk nowitzki was a joke, the whole thread was satirical.And Maurice cheeks is a bum, he's lineups in the clutch is so stupid.
Playoffs or not I do not see Iverson playing next year with the Sixers. Either he will not want to play with them because he won't win a ring with them. But, if he did win I bet the Knicks would wnat him. LOL
If I'm Philly, I trade Allen Iverson. Yes he is a top 5 franchise player within your franchise, possibly the best, but he never brought the city anything. Since that 01 season, the Sixers have been nothing but a team dwelling at the bottom of the playoff ladder, dissapointing fans and setting expectations lower than ever. Same with Minny, traded KG and AI while they still have immense value
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wade3 @ Apr 14 2006, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Playoffs or not I do not see Iverson playing next year with the Sixers. Either he will not want to play with them because he won't win a ring with them.</div>He won't want to not play with them because of that. Hes said a buch of times before that he wants to stay in Philadelphia. Even though there is a good chance he wont win a championship. He says he wants to win a championship before he goes to another team to chase one.
I didn't read any of this thread, and I'll just give my opinion on the entire subject.Allen Iverson isn't as tough to build around as some people think. Sixers' General Manager Billy King is just incompetent and doesn't know what he's doing. What they need is to do what Larry Brown did with Iverson... surround him with scrappy players who are willing to play a certain role.Looking at the Sixers line-up on paper prior to the start of the season, I was expecting somewhere around 50 wins despite their poor bench, but porous defense, Webber's hypocrisy, inconsistent play from role players, and poor coaching decisions are just a few of the many reasons as to why the Sixers have struggled and underachieved this season.Should the Sixers trade Iverson? It really depends on the front office. They first have to sit down, and decide what direction they want to move in. Their inability to come up with a plan, and not implementing that plan is one of the big problems us Sixers fans have with the front office. First, they say they want to try to win now, and go ahead and trade for Chris Webber. Now, if they truly wanted to win now, does it make much sense to say "Alright, we are trying to win now, but we don't want to spend the money neccessary or make the moves necessary to give us a chance to win now." No, it doesn't. I honestly believe the Sixers' front office played Iverson by trading for Webber. I have a lot of reasons as to why I believe the Sixers brought in Webber as part of the rebuilding phase, but told Iverson that this was a move to win now, but I won't get into it.The Sixers have a nice young core, and if they do want to start rebuilding, then they should trade Iverson. However, if they want to rebuild, their first priority would be to also trade Webber, as hard as that may be. Face it, without Iverson there, what will Webber bring to the table? Absolutely nothing. Hell, I want Webber gone even if we aren't going to rebuild. The guy is the biggest problem that Philadelphia has on it's roster.The fact of the matter is that whenever you are trading a superstar, you aren't going to get anywhere near equal value in return for him. If the Sixers trade him, it will signify their commitment to building a team for the future, and in order to do so, their best bet would be to trade him for either 1) rising young players, 2) expiring contracts, 3) draft picks, or 4) any combination of the previous three.As a Sixer fan, do I want to see Iverson go? Hell no. He has done too much for the franchise and for the city, but if the deal is right, I would do it to improve the team in the future. Allen Iverson is stuck in the same boat as Kevin Garnett, but has been more successful than KG: They are stars who have had poor front offices behind them.Now, these are the problems that the Sixers need to fix before trading Iverson:1. Fire Billy King, and hire a new general manager. The guy is incompetent, and has no idea what the hell he is doing.2. Trade Chris Webber. Easier said than done, obviously.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Playoffs or not I do not see Iverson playing next year with the Sixers. Either he will not want to play with them because he won't win a ring with them.</div>Wow just wow.You boggle my mind sometimes.
He has already said he wants to say in Philadelphia, even if it means never winning a ring. He isn't the kind of player who would want to win a ring somewhere else... he wants to win it in Philadelphia because of everything he has done for the city, and everything the city has done for him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Apr 13 2006, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AI has never had great talent around him, that list proves my point. Gleen Robinson and Colemen were over the hill when they were in Philly.</div>I would say Larry Hughes, but he was very young and inconsistent at the time so he wasnt a good fit next to Iverson..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Apr 15 2006, 08:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would say Larry Hughes, but he was very young and inconsistent at the time so he wasnt a good fit next to Iverson..</div>Yeah... I really wish that Larry Brown hadn't given up on him too early, but then again Larry Brown made some weird decisions, but he got us to the Finals.
No. AI will make the playoffs this year anyway. He is the sould on that team, offensive wise and they need him there to help the development of Iggy and Korver, even John Salmons. Things are actually looking up for the Sixers. They also have a very good, young center in Sam Dalembert.
The only positive thing about missing out on the playoffs this year, which is looking increasingly likely for Philadelphia, is that we actually have a first round draft pick this year.But you also have to think about this... if the Sixers are going to move Iverson, they would have to move him to a team that is in better shape to contend than the Sixers are, and most of those teams would not be willing to give up the pieces the Sixers would be asking for in return for Iverson.The best trade they would get would be from the Nuggets (the one they already offered), and it was truly pathetic for the Sixers, but would have been sick pairing up Iverson and 'Melo for the Nuggets.
No, AI shouldnt be traded. Webber is doing great this year and has been the only one that AI can count one for offense. The rest: Dalembert, Iguodala, and Korver are too inconsistent. Iguodala has so much potential but he takes like 5 shots a game and all of his points come of dunks basically. He only thrives in the fast break. Dalembert also has been struggling, he lacks a basketball IQ and sometimes he isnt doing what he's capable of doing. All Korver does is stand there out on the perimeter and waits for AI to penetrate and then kick it out back to him. So, thats all what Korver does on offense. Really, I thought Hunter was a dissapointment. I realize he's also young and playing with Webber and Dalembert, but still I expected maybe 10 PPG and 6 RPG. Atleast maybe someone who could play defense. As for AI, he wont be traded. One night he'll have 40 or so points, and then the next guy would be Webber with 20 or so, and then next would be Iggy with 10. That's not a balanced attack, which is why Philly is struggling to make the postseason. AI is doing all he can, but his so-called 'supporting cast' isnt stepping up. He wont be traded.
Hunter was a disappointment? I think Dalembert is a bigger disappointment than Hunter is... I will admit that I was very unhappy with Hunter early in the season, and was extremely happy when they traded him to New Orleans, but ever since the Hornets rescinded the trade, Hunter has clearly outplayed Dalembert, and has definitely improved his rebounding and offensive game.
Were not talking about trading AI for draft picks here, you can get alot back for him. If you can get close to equal value in a younger player, I think you have to do it for the future of the franchise, he wont be around forever, and his performance will start to drop, theres no denying then. Its just a matter of when and to what degree his play begins to suffer..I think you need to trade him as well as Webber and try to get some new pieces that will fit better together and have more of a future because both of those guys are getting up there in age..
See, the thing is that if they do trade Iverson, he will absolutely have a say in where he will be traded to... and he would want to be traded into a situation where he has a better opportunity to win than he does in Philadelphia. Now, I don't know what those teams would be willing to offer.Either way, like you said, if they want to trade Iverson, they might as well trade Webber too. They should try to move Webber first... if they can't, then they might as well keep them both, and then trade Iverson when Webber's contract expires.
