Another UNBELIEVABLE TRADE (in works)

Yes people, yes, BC is the man, he is the best gm in the nba period.
what is he doing?

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What u think?

 

Atleast Matt C is use-able heres a comparisopn between both players:
Marcus Banks:
PPG 2.5
RPG 0.8
APG 1.3
SPG 0.5
BPG 0.1
FG% 0.368
FT% 0.611
3P% 0.158
MPG 9.4

Matt Carroll
PPG 3.0
RPG 1.3
APG 0.5
SPG 0.4
BPG 0.1
FG% 0.380
FT% 0.840
3P% 0.245
MPG 11.2

 

colangelo cant be this stupid. why would u swap a guy who cant play with 2 years left on his contract for another guy who cant play and has 4 years left on his contract. this trade proposal is particularly troubling considering the cap is going down according to projections and they will probably resign belinelli who plays a similar game just a lot better.

leave banks alone- every nba team has a player who's a scrub. the 47 win raptors with vince and oak thrived in spite of yogi stewert and his onerous contract

 

He doesn't post here anymore, but og15 was a prominent member here during the JBB days. I still remember how he thought it was stupid that we signed Kapono for the amount we did, when Carroll was the same player who could've been had for peanuts.

Not sure I like this trade though. Carroll's contract declines over the years, but at the end of the day it's only about $1-1.5 mill in savings. I'd much rather stomach Banks' deal for 2 years and just get rid of the dead space on our roster quicker. I'm guessing Colangelo feels there's too little offense on our bench right now, and thinks Triano could use a shooting specialist as an end-of-the-bench option.

 

deception is right....if neither are going to get much to any playing time why take the one with the longer contract, carroll just going to be taking up space 2 years longer then banks

 

See at first I was like BC is stupid for doing this trade but Carroll has the skills, but Caroll can be WAYY more productive then banks, Carroll is efficient he can rebound, can shoot and his just better then banks so y not pull of this trade?

 

I was checking out vids on youtube of carroll since i dont really know much about this kid
all i know is that he was beloved by a small number of fans, reminiscent of matt bonner

 

More like a scratch-and-dent, all sales final, version of Jason Kapono. Carroll had three decent seasons in Charlotte (assuming there is such a thing as a decent as season in Charlotte), but he was just flat out awful last year - in both Charlotte and Dallas. In 55 games, he had a PER of 5.5 and shot 0.245 from 3-point range - supposedly his specialty. At his best, he wasn't nearly the shooter Kopono is/was. He's no longer at his best. He also can't play defense and doesn't even look to pass the ball. At this point, I'd call him a poor man's Adam Morrison.

If getting Matt Carroll makes Bryan Colangelo "the best gm in the nba period", that is a pretty severe indictment of the rest of the league's GMs. Personally, even if we ignore the four NBA titles, I think I'd take the guy who drafted Tony Parker with the 28th pick and Manu Ginobili with the 57th pick over the guy who traded Marcus Banks for Matt Carroll.

BNM

 

Being more productive than Banks isn't really all that much of an accomplishment. At the end of the day, Carrol will be the last guy off the bench. He'll get into the game in the rare occasions when our team is in a collective shooting slump. Is that contribution really worth adding 2 more years to our payroll?

 

Please don't use skills (plural) and Matt Carroll in the same sentence. Carroll had one skill - shooting the ball. And, he seems to have lost that.

Carroll is not WAYY more productive than Banks (or anyone). He's not efficient (5.5 PER) and he can't rebound (2.9 RPG career high in 26.1 MPG). I get that Banks sucks, but pretending Carroll sucks any less is just plain misguided. This is a meaningless swap of third stringers who wouldn't even be in the NBA if not for guaranteed contracts. Nothing more, nothing less. If either player sees anything approaching significant playing time, their new team is in trouble, deep trouble.

BNM

 

lol

Matt Carroll. Another scrub Laker killer. I swear every time I see this guy play he sucks. Every time he plays the Lakers he turns into Reggie Miller.

 

If the Raptors suck again next year, what will Colangelo's signings really mean? I'm not too enthralled with the team to be honest. I like Turkoglu, but is the Bosh/Bargnani/Turkoglu tandem going to work? There's a lot of versatility in the front court but there are still some major questions.

First, I question how effective Bosh and/or Bargnani will be at center. Bosh isn't a particularly strong defensive presence, especially at center. If they have any aspirations of being more than mediocre then this will have to change. Or they need a stronger interior presence. Guys like Howard and Shaq will own the paint with that front court. The frontcourt is also soft in the rebounding department. With the exception of Bosh, both Hedo and Bargnani are relatively weak rebounders and Toronto wasn't a good rebounding team last year and it will only get worse with the loss of Marion.

The real benefit the Raptors have is their mismatch potential on the offensive end, but that's not going to work against the elite teams in the league. They're going to have to buckle down and defend and they simply can't do that. I understand the Raptors don't have championship expectations but the moves they are making suggest that they are more concerned with the present than they are with the future. For example, I don't see much of a point in signing a 30 year old Turkoglu to a $50M/5-year contract when he's not likely to make much of a difference. Wouldn't it have been wiser to have spent that $10M per on a younger player, a long term solution? Re-signing Bargnani to $50M was an interesting move. He had a good season last year but he's been inconsistent throughout his career so we don't know exactly what to expect from him next season either.

Basically, with these moves I see the Raptors being mediocre at best. Teams such as Orlando, Cleveland, Boston, Atlanta, (and to a lesser extent) Detroit, Philly, and Washington (if Arenas is 100%) are still ahead of Toronto. Then there are teams like Chicago and Indiana who are just as good as Toronto. So, in the very likely event the Raptors miss the playoffs or get eliminated in the first round, where do they go from there? They don't have much cap flexibility if they re-sign Bosh and, historically speaking, their late-lotto/mid-first rounder won't do too much for them.

 

What makes Chicago and Indy just as good as Toronto? Who have they added? The Bulls lost their 2nd best player in Ben Gordon and haven't added anybody significant. The Pacers, with the exception of getting some injured guys back, are basically fielding the same team as last year and they were shit. Even if the Wizards get Arenas back 100% they're not that good. The last time Arenas played a significant amount of games was the 06/07 season and the Wiz finished 41-41, sure they added Randy Foye and Mike Miller but IMO those two acquisitions doesn't put them ahead of the Raptors.

 

I feel the Raptors additions might give them 5-7 more wins. The other teams are already in that win range already. The Wizards if healthy are at least .500 and that's the Raptors peak, I believe. The Pacers missed the playoffs by 3 games even with Dunleavy out the whole season and Granger missed a chunk of games. If they can stay healthy I don't see how it's a stretch for them to be as good as the Raptors. The Bulls lost Gordon, but I think Salmons made Gordon somewhat expendable. Plus Rose's development also has to be considered.

 

You ignore one of the most significant aspects of the Raptors offseason when you just talk about starting lineups. The Raptors starting lineup is entirely offensively explosive, sacrificing defense for scoring. But there could not be a greater contrast between them and the players backing them up. Jarret Jack, Antoine Wright, DeMar DeRozan, Reggie Evans, Rasho Nesterovic: all of these players are meant to address the rebounding and defensive holes in the starting lineup (I disregarded Bellinelli because he's a player more like our Top 4). I'm not saying they address the problem completely, but they're effective, proven role players that can step in contribute. Teams don't make wholesale switches from their starters to their bench. Much of the game is spent with 2-3 bench players playing alongside starters, and the Raptors have a distinct advantage over the non-Big 3 teams in that area.

 

Also, I didn't understand this:

Atlanta, Detroit, Washington, Indiana, Chicago, and Philadelphia aren't elite teams, so it could very well work against them, no? The Eastern Conference is extremely top-heavy, and we'll playing crappy/mediocre teams far more than we will elite ones.