Minny gets Sessions on the cheap..

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  1. PapaG

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    What part of my post is not accurate? Refute my post on Sessions, and I'll be OK with it. An ad hominem attack without addressing the issue? No respect for you.
     
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    If Milwaukee had thought he'd win them games, they would have paid for him. They did not match, and suddenly David Kahn is the brightest GM in the NBA.
     
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    what issue? You're welcome to your opinion, but thats all you've got. Repeating the same crap over and over is obnoxious.

    and do you really think I or anyone here gives the smallest shit about gaining your respect?

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    I'm just wondering where I missed on the Sessions debate. He can't shoot, can't defend, and has a very high usage rate. Clearly you know better than I do, so spell it out instead of launching yet another personal attack. :dunno:

    Educate me, STOMP, on how I have missed on Ramon Sessions.
     
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    do you think this is a good offseason for a FA to be looking for a new contract or maybe not so good?

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    was milwaukee making the playoffs with sessions? probably not, so why would they pay the luxury tax to keep him? that doesn't mean that he's not good enough to justify the contract he got(or that the team wouldn't win more games with him than without him), it just means that to them he wasn't worth the additional costs of the luxury tax. the cost to the bucks for a $4 mil starting salary for sessions would really be something like $9 mil(4 to sessions, 2 to the league for going over the tax by 2 mil, and another 3 mil on money they wouldn't get from the league in redistributed tax money. the 3 mil number is what was given out this past season).

    so no, sessions isn't worth that much, but he definitely is worth the contract he got.
     
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    Is Minnesota going to make the playoffs with Sessions? I'd say Milwaukee had a better chance than Minnesota does, and paying an extra few million for a difference maker seems like a bargain in the East. A few home playoff games would pay for the tax on Sessions.
     
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    why? As it's been demonstrated in umpteen threads before, you refuse to be educated or reasoned with. Half the board either avoids you like the plague or has you on ignore altogether for this very reason.

    Can't shoot can't defend? I already heard your opinion umpteen times. You'll doggedly defend Steve Blake to the death yet despite coming off a career year, 7 years in he has a lower career TS% then Ramon in his 2nd, but what does that matter? I could point out that players tend to get better in their early 20's, but seriously why do I bother? I've got plenty more ammo if I gave a crap, but I don't. You don't respect me either? Great. Piss off and annoy someone else.

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    a slight shot at the playoffs wouldn't be worth having sessions cost the team around $9 mil.

    for minnesota, they aren't in the tax and he is well worth the $4 mil or so they are paying him.
     
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    Again, nothing from you other than misrepresenting my opinion on Steve Blake and launching yet another personal attack. You aren't very good at this, are you? Sessions is a very average player, and the market for him agrees with me.
     
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    I think Sessions got lucky and found a team that needed him as bad as he needed a team.

    The Bucks, from the draft on, never seemed interested in keeping Sessions. Several teams showed some interest in Sessions but never made an offer. Obviously Sessions couldn't get a better deal from any other team in the NBA (I don't think he picked Minny because of his chance to win a ring). I wonder if Sessions knew just how much an impact the Rubio saga would have on his salary in the NBA?
     
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    That's a fair point. One could even say that Rubio staying in Spain actually gave Sessions a better offer then he would have received had Rubio played in the NBA this year. There is no way Minnesota would have offered him in the latter scenario, and Sessions would likely still be without a new contract.
     
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    That's what I was getting at (apparently not very clearly :D ). Without Minny, Session doesn't find another team willing to make that offer. He either accepts less money or goes for the one year contract to test out the market next year. Rubio staying in Euro was the best thing to happen to Sessions.
     
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    I don't know that Sessions would have been the savior of our (or any other team), but looking at the realm of contracts given after rookie contracts expire, is 4/16M (25% below the MLE) for a 23 y/o PG (who, BTW, is already playing at a PER level above the average NBA starter) that much out of the realm of possibility? PG's a pretty tough position. Our team is paying Webster and Outlaw and Blake around that amount. As it is, there's a chance that none of those 3 start; Webster and Outlaw are around Sessions' age; well below his PER output; at a position that's not super-difficult to fill, imho. For a potential long-term starter at PG who's already shown that he can play at a pretty high level in the league, I don't think it's egregiously bad.

    Perhaps it's overpaying this year for a guy you're not sure is going to start over Jonny Flynn, but I'd love for the Blazers to be paying Sessions in 2010-2013 4M a year.
     
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    Yes, this is exactly my feeling on the matter. There simply has to be something we don't know about him. Andre can post up and has had a great career but to pay almost twice as much for him? I like Andre and am happy with the pick up, but I would have definitely liked to see us sew up the PG spot for the future or at least audition another young talent. Maybe Bayless will be that guy, I'd rather have had a fall back plan if Rex isn't up to the job.
     
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    my fall back dream is TParker. In a couple years he and the Spurs will probably be parting and I'd like to think Paul's deep pockets and the Blazer's other various assets will land him in the NW. I know his deal is up after this season, but again this is my dream.

    In the meantime I'm going to enjoy the present.

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    :smiley-serious:

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