Up to 2 Million March on D.C. to Protest Big Spending

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  1. blazerboy30

    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

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    Oh, it is fun to speak for other people!

    People only support the healthcare proposal because they are greedy and want other people to pay their bills.

    Why do you only care about money?
     
  2. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    You know all about speaking for others as I have read what you think Obama is doing with his actions . . . trying to socialize America . . . did Obama say that is what he trying to do?

    Speaking for others can be fun huh?
     
  3. blazerboy30

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    Oh, you mean when I use direct quotes from him? Or when I use his own projected budget numbers?

    Don't let those details get in your way of an unfounded rant where you get to make up nonsense.

    Why do you only care about money?
     
  4. MrJayremmie

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    Oh come on, do you realize what this thread is about? Its about tea-baggers protesting because of big government spending. Yet the failed to do so for 8 years. That is the point of that comment. It is absolutely relevant to the thread.

    Talking about the fact that the foundation of these deficits were built pre-obama isn't a strawman. Thats a pretty lame tactic for arguing on a message board.

    He is wrong because he has a differing opinion? Hmm...
     
  5. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    OK, so Obama has said he is trying to socialize America . . . I guess you aren't putting words in his mouth . . . you are simply speaking exactly what Obama is saying . . . he is trying to socialize America. I haven't caught him saying that, but I believe you that he is preaching that.

    I don't only care about the money or I would be out there protesting my whinny little ass off to stop taking my money away . . . in the name of freedom of course.
     
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    Do you disagree that his actions have taken us more in the direction of socialism?

    At least your past the first step: admitting you have a "whinny little ass".
     
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    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    Just like you think I am speaking for those who protest, I think you are speaking for Obama. Doesn't mean either of us is wrong or right, simply that we are speaking about others based on thier actions.

    Funny you call me out on it when you do it all the time.


    I have the ass of an 18 year old boy . . . whinny or not, chicks dig the little ass.
     
  8. blazerboy30

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    Agreed.

    Again, for the 3rd, 4th or 20th time. The spending has gotten worse, and is projected to get worse. That should elicit more protesting.

    Is that really hard to understand?


    Yes, it is a strawman, because nobody is arguing to the contrary. Show me where somebody argued that we didn't have deficits before Obama. Go ahead. I'll wait. If you can, I'll apologize.

    You picked that and started using that in your arguments. Basically the definition of building a Strawman.
     
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    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

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    You didn't answer my question.
     
  10. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I can't speak for others, but for me, it's much more than about money. For me, it's the loss of freedom, it's the loss of choice (if healthcare gets passed), it's the violation of the heirarchy of corporate ownership, and mostly it's that I think if we continue down this path, my son will have a worse life than mine. Money is just the first thing I'm going to lose.
     
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    Speaking only for myself, I didn't (and don't) have a problem with Bush (or any other president) spending money on old people's medicine or a war on terror.

    Speaking only for myself, I don't like the health care plan very much. It doesn't make it better for me if it adds $7-9T in debt over the next 10 years. I didn't mind the loans to business as much, since we'd be getting that money back. I didn't like the "stimulus" bill very much, and I don't like a health care plan that I feel doesn't help much at an enormous cost. I don't like that people who have faith that a one-party-controlled government will get health care right, but don't know what it's like to walk into Walter Reed or a VA hospital are among the biggest advocates of the bill.

    I also don't like that all of this falls in the President's lap (either Bush or Obama) when it's congress who holds the pursestrings. Why aren't we talking about Pelosi or Reid or any of the other people who are actually tasked with passing the budget? Though I admit, when the President gets up there and pitches for a plan (like Bush on the Iraq War or Obama for Stimulus and HealthCare) it makes them more complicit for me. But as I said, for me a War Worth Fighting (tm) is worth spending money for. A large, expensive healthcare plan that doesn't significantly help healthcare or reduce costs is not. Why isn't anyone pointing out that, if this is voted for, every American man, woman and child will get a $23,000-to-$30,000 bill to pay off over the next 10 years, on top of buying their insurance and their other taxes?
     
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    I don't know if Obama's actions are leading us towards a more socialist society. I could see why some are claiming that, but it's not to a point that I am currently overly concerned about.

    I do believe protesters are so emotionally charged about the topic because it is their money at stake.

    Now my question to you is are you putting words in Obama's mouth when you interpret his actions to mean he is trying to turn us into a socialist society or did Obama actually say that was his intent?
     
  13. barfo

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    Because it's not true. The $9T is the total federal deficit projection for 10 years, not the effect of the health care bill.

    barfo
     
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    Yes and I don't see you holding a sign claiming Obama is Hitler or that he is a parasite. The people doing that have clearly gotten very personal (and irrational in my mind) about the issue . . . I've seen people act irrationale before and many times money and financial stress was what drove people to take a legit complaint and become crazy about it.

    I'm guessing in your line of work you have seen people do some crazy things when their money is at stake. People's personal money creates more crazy emotions and actions than any other issue I have seen . . . including sex . . . and sex makes people do some pretty wacked out stuff.
     
  15. blazerboy30

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    I side with the protesters, and for me it is about health and healthcare, freedom, and my children's future and the debt they will owe. Maybe there are some protesters who only care about the money, but I doubt it is the majority.

    To me, this is more important because implementing a program like this is a much bigger deal than a tax increase. Tax breaks can come and go. Government programs tend to just grow, and grow and get more expensive. They never die, regardless of how bad they are.

    I don't think I've said he will turn us into a socialist society (without being tongue-in-cheek). I think I have been consistent in saying that his proposals and actions move us more towards socialism.

    The latter is pretty hard to dispute.
     
  16. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    Bitching at each other about Bush and Congress spending like drunken sailors.
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    Ew! Does his mother know?
     
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    No I don't tell most mothers about having thier child's ass . . . do you?
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    The need has never come up because I've never had a child's ass, nor have I ever wanted a child's ass.
     
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    Shhh..you're letting the secret out.

    Well, that and the fact that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will easily cost more than double the health care costs.
     

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