Wow, The Basketball Public Has Bailed Early On Oden

From: MVN - Bucks Diary

 

It was last season. But go back to the Houston series. We want to boast about his future. But the fact is all the basketball world has to base their info on is what they seen out of him last year. And in the Houston series, he was a whole lot of nothing.

Oden is going to have to fix this himself if he has it in himself. I'd like to believe, I think it's more hope than anything, that he will fix it. But we won't know anything until he steps foot on the floor and makes it happen

I still have doubt that a guy can change THAT MUCH in just a four or five month span.

 

I for one have not bailed on G.O. If he stays healthy, he will be better than Bynum.

Period.

 

its make or break time for oden. no excuses this year.

by this time next year... we should no wether hes legit or a major mistake.

No more injured excuses. If he goes down again... hes injury prone. sorry.

 

Does that make Bynum a glassman? Seeing as he had two major knee injuries in two seasons...

To the OP I have no doubt Oden will be a dominant force, it's just a matter of time and health.

 

He's had his moments where he looked like a guy that could just unload. It's those moments that make me think and believe he has a great future in this league.

As a dominant big guy.

 

I know, right?! lol

Bynum has also played 213 games to Odens 61 and has been in the league since 2005. Lets compare their stats once Greg plays 213 games.

Hey Maxi... did you know Oden was born in Buffalo, NY? Pretty cool!

 

All I am looking for is a small improvement from last year with a learning how to limit fouls. If he gets that far, then he will continue to grow. Big men, more then any other position are the slowest to blossom in the NBA. It takes a long time to learn how to move at NBA speeds for a center, especially one who is intent on playing D.

 

I posted the following earlier this summer on BEdge:

ODEN: ONCE IN A GENERATION OFFENSIVE REBOUNDER

Greg Oden's rebounding is what sets him apart. If his rookie year is any indication, he is a once in a generation offensive rebounder.

According to basketball-reference.com, his rookie year offensive rebounding percentage was 15.7%. This is right up there with the rookie years of Rodman (15.6%) and Moses Malone (15.5%), and above Buck Williams (13.7%) and Barkley (12.5%). These are generally considered the greatest offensive rebounders in the last 35 years.

Dwight Howard led the league in offensive rebounds this year by a far cry, and he had 13.8%. So Greg's offensive rebounding rate was 14% better than this year's league leader.

This manifests itself not only as an individual stat. In fact, he not only grabs more offensive rebounds when he's in the game, the whole team grabs even more. So he doesn't "suck up" offensive rebounds from his teammates. Rather, he "makes his teammates rebound better" (related to "makes his teammates play better"), and to an amazing degree.

From basketballvalue.com come the team offensive rebounding stats. The average team has an offensive rebounding rate of 29%. These numbers are fairly clustered, with all but the best and the worst ranging from 26% to 31%. The best (except for Portland) is Philly at 33.4%.

Portland without Oden, is 32.5%, which would be 2nd in league. But with him, we rise far above the pack. With Greg in the lineup, our offensive rebounding rate is 38.7%! About half of this increase is due to Oden being better than Pryz (who is quite good himself) and half is due to his teammates rebounding better when he's in the game.

If you are into statistics, with Greg in the lineup, Portland is 5 standard deviations better than the average. For one individual player to make that much of a difference is truly amazing. It's such an incredible margin, and indicates that he is a once in a generation offensive rebounder.

 

I have two thoughts about this (at least!)

1. If we have replacement refs, how will it affect Oden? Given how he appeared to be victimized by the refs we had, maybe it'll help him. But on the other hand, reffing big men is notoriously difficult, so maybe they'll be even worse.

2. Dwight Howard didn't seem to have the foul problems as a rookie that Oden had. But Howard wasn't actually that devoted to defense when he was a rookie. He wasn't asked to do all the things that Nate asked Oden to do (including completely inappropriate things like switch on to guards). Nate practically admitted that he was running Oden through the mill saying something like it'll help him down the road if he's forced to move his feet. So there's probably a reason Oden was much more foul-prone as a rookie than Dwight Howard, and it's not entirely Oden's fault. Now, will McMillan ease off and let Oden do less on D and more on O? Cue Kent Brockman.

 

Great post. Welcome to our boards. If this is an example of your posts, I hope you become a regular.

 

Bynum > Oden

You know it, i know it, whole world knows it

Ill be sure to remind you come January....and June

 

People are jumping off the Oden wagon WAY too soon. Even if he isn't dominant this season it won't be the end of the world. This is essentially his second NBA season. Big men take 3 to 4 years to get used to the speed of the NBA game. If in 2011 he hasn't progressed, then I will be pretty bummed.

 

Only in injury count to knees.

Bynum gets hyped because he is a Laker, not because of his performance. If their positions were switched, everyone would be talking about Oden's rebounding and what a bust injury prone Bynum is.

Bynum and Oden will both be good, though very different, centers. Hopefully injuries don't derail both their careers.

 

You keep thinking that, see how that works for you...later this year Ill show you a C who is leading the league in FG%

 

I remember reading this post. Great post man.

Sure. You know if we offered Oden for Bynum you would take it. Bynum is such a piss porr shitty attitude little bitch though (typical for LA). I would take Joel over him any day. Let alone, Oden.

 

You are delusional...Not for a second would I even consider that

piss poor shitty attitude...really, thats news to me. The only thing Ive ever heard him bitching about is wanting more playing time...thats a good thing

 

there is your flaw in logic right there....if improvement was constant then New Orleans would have won the 'ship last year