Brandon makes a good point on Rudy

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  1. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    offensively that looks fine (and I'm sure we'll see it at times) but defensively it leaves something to be desired regardless of where you put Nic (on either a three or a one) one way or another you've got Rudy or Roy guarding a point or a small forward and neither are particularly well suited to either position.
     
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    how about a box in one with Nic on the primary ballhandler?

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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Sure ... until they're playing a zone busting team with a lot of good to great shooters. A box-and-one is fine in certain situations, but it will be inherently limited to certain matchups and game situations.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    The answer is pretty simple...Roy/Rudy spend more time at the 3, which means less minutes for Webster and Batum (*gasp*).
     
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    What young PG's out there are worth trading Rudy for?

    I like Conley, Augustin, etc, but no way would I deal Rudy for them.

    To get a tier above them KP will probably have to package Rudy with another asset.
     
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    I think seeing Rudy, Roy, Batum at the 1, 2, and 3 is highly possible in certain situations. There are plenty of teams these days whose starting or back up SF is only 6'5" or 6'6" and most of them aren't star players. I am assuming that Batum would guard the point guard, which is perfectly fine with me. This lineup could be great as long as its in the right situation.
     
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    Which is what should probably happen. I wouldn't go out of my way to gut the team, but I imagine a combo of Rudy, Outlaw and/or Bayless (and perhaps a pick) could get you a pretty decent prospect ... I don't really have a name in mind, but that's a lot of heat.
     
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    For Spain, Rudy is most effective when he's creating. He has very good court vision with the IQ to go with it. I'd like to see him move in as the primary backup PG/SG down the road. He just needs to work on his ballhandling. He has to be playing 25-30 min/per.

    I just hope McMillan's vision of turning Rudy into James Jones is over.
     
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    I said I wouldn't mind seeing this trio getting a little run this season... I'm not saying this should be the starting lineup.

    These three are probably 3 of their top 4 talents positions 1-3 with 32 year old Miller being the 4th. I think it would be smart to see if the youngins can play together.

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    Thats where we differ, I believe Rudy is clearly our 4th best talent and it's not even close. I wouldn't be shocked if Batum fell completely out of the rotation this season but I don't see any way Rudy gets less than 20mpg.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    There's no point if you don't have anyone in mind.

    The "tier" above the Conley's and Augustin's are guys like Devin Harris, Jameer Nelson, and Tony Parker. I'm pretty sure the teams those players play for wouldn't even consider the package you proposed.
     
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    I agree that those are three very talented players, but not at positions 1-3, by my count that's 3 very talented players at positions 2-3 -- Brandon and Rudy are still not very good defensive players in the best of circumstances (guarding their natural positions) when they are paired off against ones (or threes for that matter) generally, it makes it even harder.

    In any case I sort of knew you were talking about situational lineups with these three and I agree that we'll probably see it from time to time ... I'm just not so sure it's something that will be effective as a regular lineup (ie occurring in more than 10% of all combinations).
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I don't have anyone in mind because I'm running on minimal sleep the past couple of days and I'm frankly too punchy to think of anybody right now. :wink:

    You're right however that Harris is too far off (along with Nelson and Parker), but perhaps you remove some players (Outlaw or Rudy) from the package and you go after a guy like Conley -- Memphis is clearly run by buffoons, so who knows?
     
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    I'm recalling Batum giving Tony Parker fits in a game last season. I've seen Brandon be affective on many All Star type 3's including Josh Howard, Carmelo, and Prince. It's pretty common for teams to go small for stretches where their starting 2 becomes their 3. I'm actually more concerned offensively then I am defensively with this hypothetical combo. If Nic could get a semblance of his idol's handle....

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    I think we'd be better off trading Bayless/Blake/Outlaw for Conley/pick or something. Not sure it's possible and we give up a lot, but we need to consolidate at this point and that'd really tighten up the rotation nicely. Blake has experience with AI, Outlaw gives them leverage in the Gay talks, and Bayless still has potential (to replace Conley).

    Miller/Conley
    Roy/Fernandez
    Webster/Batum/Cunningham
    Aldridge/Howard/Cunningham
    Pryzbilla/Oden
     
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    After this year, I like to envision Roy, Rudy, Webster, Batum and PGotF (whoever that ends up being) sharing the 144 PG-SF minutes, with Batum defending the point for significant stretches, and Roy defending the 3 when he and Rudy are in together.

    I like to imagine Bayless being that fifth player, but I think it's more likely that if we ever find a really good fit for that spot, it ends up being someone not currently on our roster.
     
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    I would do this in a heartbeat, and then run away laughing before the Grizz had a chance to change their minds.
     
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    Where did they take that shot?? Chairs and cords in the back...:clap::lol:
    Team dinner at Subway? What is next in Sacramento?
     
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