<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ender @ Apr 15 2006, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You really think Dirk will win? I don't. This is a media award. The media loves LeBron and Nash and sort of Kobe now. Dirk gets his credit, but not to the same level as these guys get.I could make a decent case that Brand is a better MVP candidate then Dirk this year. But Mav's fans don't see that. . .</div>the media doesnt choose the MVP a leauge of analysts do. The analysts are smart enough to know who should be MVP. I'm not saying Dirk will win it but its his time to, Kobe and LeBron will get them but right now it's Dirks time.Who do you want?45 wins or 60+ wins?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Saint Baller @ Apr 15 2006, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the media doesnt choose the MVP a leauge of analysts do. The analysts are smart enough to know who should be MVP. I'm not saying Dirk will win it but its his time to, Kobe and LeBron will get them but right now it's Dirks time.Who do you want?45 wins or 60+ wins?</div>Are you sure about that?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>A panel of 127 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada voted for this prestigious award.</div>Last time I checked sportswriters and broadcasters = media.Who do I want? Dirk has a better supporting cast around him then Brand or Kobe or Nash or LeBron. That is why Mavericks have 60 wins or so. Not because Dirk is that much better than those guys. It probably isn't even close in terms of supporting cast and overall depth.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ender @ Apr 15 2006, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you sure about that?Last time I checked sportswriters and broadcasters = media.Who do I want? Dirk has a better supporting cast around him then Brand or Kobe or Nash or LeBron. That is why Mavericks have 60 wins or so. Not because Dirk is that much better than those guys. It probably isn't even close in terms of supporting cast and overall depth.</div>I thought it was about who gets their team far and is valuable for that team. Right now I only see Dirk, Kobe, and a little bit of Nash
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Saint Baller @ Apr 15 2006, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought it was about who gets their team far and is valuable for that team. Right now I only see Dirk, Kobe, and a little bit of Nash</div>What do you mean gets their team far? It is regular season and there is no far. And it is about being valuable to his team. Do you not think Brand is a big reason why the Clippers are actually in the playoffs? Or Nash is the big reason the Suns are even in the playoffs. Imagine the Suns without Nash. They wouldn't be close to getting into the playoffs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What do you mean gets their team far? It is regular season and there is no far. And it is about being valuable to his team. Do you not think Brand is a big reason why the Clippers are actually in the playoffs? Or Nash is the big reason the Suns are even in the playoffs. Imagine the Suns without Nash. They wouldn't be close to getting into the playoffs.</div>So how come Brand wasn't leading them into the playoffs last year? Sam Cassell, Cat Mobley and a improved Kaman helps. Also, you say Suns without Nash, but how about Mavs without Dirk. You can't tell me Mavs would be a top contender in this league without Dirk, they would be having as much a harder time then the Suns without Nash making the playoffs.Mavs have very good 3rd or 4th options spread out, but no clear 2nd option. If you watched Mavs game, it's whoever is hot this game is the 2nd option. There's no clear cut 2nd option but there is the clear cut #1 and that's Dirk. So your telling me a bunch of 3rd/4th options can make they playoffs too? MVP should be Kobe, imagine them without him, that's how valuable he is. And that is what the award means to me. No one else comes close in terms of value when it comes to Kobe and the Lakers.
Dirk probably won't win it cause there is the whole "He's soft" and the fact that he's a Euro, bias towards him.Plus the fact that he's has a good team, and has had one, is being held against him. Not that it ever stopped TD or Shaq or Jordan from winning it. Hell even KG won it when the TWolves had that great year, and had a very good team. Oh but Dirk shouldn't win it because he has a good team? Please...everyone needs to stop saying that he has better teammates and isnt' the MVP because of it or people that have good teammates wouldn't win it from year to year.I think Kobe wins it this year, because he's been amazing, and IS the only reason the Lakers are even in the playoffs. Lebron has been playing well, but not as good as Kobe, and IMO isn't more deserving of the MVP than Dirk or Nash.I've said several times that Nash, Kobe, and Dirk would be in the top 3 in MVP voting, and I'm sticking with it.I mean Dirk came in 2nd or 3rd last year I believe, there's no reason to think he doesn't come in around there this year too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ender @ Apr 15 2006, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What do you mean gets their team far? It is regular season and there is no far. And it is about being valuable to his team. Do you not think Brand is a big reason why the Clippers are actually in the playoffs? Or Nash is the big reason the Suns are even in the playoffs. Imagine the Suns without Nash. They wouldn't be close to getting into the playoffs.</div>Yeah they would, but the Suns had injury problems. And first you give a negative comment to Dallas, and then POSITIVE to the Clippers? The Mavs are better in BOTH the regular season AND the playoffs...You say imagine the Suns without Nash.Why don't you imagine the Mavs without Nash?Oh, last time I checked, it was 117-45...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Apr 15 2006, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So how come Brand wasn't leading them into the playoffs last year? Sam Cassell, Cat Mobley and a improved Kaman helps. Also, you say Suns without Nash, but how about Mavs without Dirk. You can't tell me Mavs would be a top contender in this league without Dirk, they would be having as much a harder time then the Suns without Nash making the playoffs.Mavs have very good 3rd or 4th options spread out, but no clear 2nd option. If you watched Mavs game, it's whoever is hot this game is the 2nd option. There's no clear cut 2nd option but there is the clear cut #1 and that's Dirk. So your telling me a bunch of 3rd/4th options can make they playoffs too? MVP should be Kobe, imagine them without him, that's how valuable he is. And that is what the award means to me. No one else comes close in terms of value when it comes to Kobe and the Lakers.</div>Guys improve. Every think Brand has improved. I was a Brand hater for a while, but the first time I saw him play this year I knew he was a different player. He's thinner. But is more active. He does the smaller things better than he used to. Including setting picks. His help D is good (not Dirks strong suit). Moving without the ball. Kickout and reposting. All that has improved dramatically in Brand this year and it shows.Dirks and Brands numbers are almost identical except Brand is a much better shot blocker and has a much higher field goal %. So it isn't like Brand isn't producing at a high level.You don't need the 1 #2 option. If Stackhouse is hot, you go to him. If Terry is hot you go to him, etc. It isn't like LeBron or 'Melo or Brand or Kobe (maybe Odom) have a consistent #2 option either. Hell I'm not sure 'Melo has a #3 or if Kobe has a #3 or #4 or #5.Do you really think the Suns could make the playoffs without Nash? Say replace him with Hinrich? That is funny. Boris Diaw, Raja Bell, Jermaine Jones, old Brian Grant and Kurt Thomas. These are guys no one in the league really wanted. Nash has made them excellent players. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Waqas @ Apr 15 2006, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah they would, but the Suns had injury problems. And first you give a negative comment to Dallas, and then POSITIVE to the Clippers? The Mavs are better in BOTH the regular season AND the playoffs...You say imagine the Suns without Nash.Why don't you imagine the Mavs without Nash?Oh, last time I checked, it was 117-45...</div>Look at Steve Nash without Dirk. . . And Nash has had two almost completely different teams to deal with.The Mavs front office did a good job of replacing Nash with a few players. Sometimes more is better. Look at the Pistons. Instead of having 1 Kobe type player they have 5 studs. Dallas isn't there yet, but that is where they went.How do you know the Mavs are better in the playoffs than the Clippers? Just curious. They probably will be better in the playoffs. I would hope so. But that still doesn't matter. If you use that excuse maybe Billups should get the MVP. His team is better in the regular season and probably the playoffs too.Brand, and others, have made the Clippers matter. I stated earlier what I thought of Brand's play so I won't do it again. I do think Dirk is having a great year and is a huge part of the Mavs success. But I want to keep it in perspective.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dirks and Brands numbers are almost identical except Brand is a much better shot blocker and has a much higher field goal %. So it isn't like Brand isn't producing at a high level.You don't need the 1 #2 option. If Stackhouse is hot, you go to him. If Terry is hot you go to him, etc. It isn't like LeBron or 'Melo or Brand or Kobe (maybe Odom) have a consistent #2 option either. Hell I'm not sure 'Melo has a #3 or if Kobe has a #3 or #4 or #5.Do you really think the Suns could make the playoffs without Nash? Say replace him with Hinrich? That is funny. Boris Diaw, Raja Bell, Jermaine Jones, old Brian Grant and Kurt Thomas. These are guys no one in the league really wanted. Nash has made them excellent players.</div>First off I didn't say Suns would make the playoffs with that team, I pointed out the Mavs without Dirk ain't any better making the playoffs either.And Kobe does have a 2nd option in Odom, it's a dropoff after. Melo has a good supporting cast in Denver. But that's not the point, this was between Brand and Dirk and Brand has great options besides him. And that was what I was pointing out. It's just not Brand there either that helped the turnaround.
You keep it in perspective man.That all fine and good. But you are belittling Dirk as you go, even though you won't admit.Look I'm as big a Dirk fan as anyone else, and I say Kobe whould win MVP this year. But that doesn't mean I don't think Dirk deserves it, because he does.Brands shot blocking and FG% is higher than Dirks cause he's a low post player, one of the best in the league. If Dirk didn't have an outside game, than his FG% would be up, as would his Rebounds and Blocks...so I actually think that makes a case more for Dirk than Brand.And you people go on and on about how good Dirks supporting cast is. Fine, he's on a good team, get over it. But you fail to realize the only person that has been on the Mavs for the last seven years that they were good is Dirk...but you don't want to mention that.Being on a good team never stopped Shaq, TD, and KG from winning the MVP. Hell AI won it when he was on a great team too, but Dirk shouldn't because he HAS a good team. That arguement doesn't hold water.Brand has made the Clippers matter, but so has Cassell, and Kaman's increased play, oh and a surprisingly good Wilcox as well.Dirk has some good role players, but his team isn't made up of all stars or anything. I think Stack is the only guy who's even been to an allstar game that's a maverick. The Clipps have the same thing with Brand and Cassell...but Dirk isn't as good cause his supporting cast is better...how is that.You put Dirk on the Clipps, and they are probably 5 wins better at least, while the Mavs aren't close to the Spurs for the division. I know that's a "what if" scenerio, but I believe it's true.Dirk won't win MVP this year, but he has done nothing to hurt his chances either, playing great, and being the leader of a 60 win team...I've never heard of a guy that means so much to his team getting disrespected the way that he has been this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>oh and a surprisingly good Wilcox as well.</div>He didn't get much time with the Clips, he's only been putting up numbers for the Sonics.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Look, Dirk just needs to win MVP once in his career, and this is his year!</div> Wtf kind of reason is that.
It's a reasoning of a Dirk homer. He even goes to a site 41fan.net or something. I couldn't stand talking about 1 player all the time. I guess Laker fans think differently though. lol
Well the Kobe guys are about as bad as the Dirk guys actually, but the difference is that Kobe actually should win it.
