<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HeatBasketball @ Apr 16 2006, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Most guards can't block or rebound.That doesn't mean all,just the majority.</div>And most fowards can't shoot 3's, fadeaway 18ftr's, pass well, get steals and run a team as playmaker....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Apr 16 2006, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And most fowards can't shoot 3's, fadeaway 18ftr's, pass well, get steals and run a team as playmaker....</div>Alot of forwards can pass well and as for 3's and fadeaways that all goes under scoring which they can do greatly.Oh and it seems your gonna have to give up your left leg :rock:
I think its alot harder to find great big men than it is to find great swingmen, and I would much rather have a dominant, young big guy over a superstar swingmen, but the fact is they dont come along often. In this case, with the players that are playing today, I dont know how you could pick anyone but LeBron..
The chances are if you get a dominant big man you aren't likely going to have a salary to get the other player so just because there are less superstar big man doesn't mean anything. In general a big man is easier to build around. If you get a superstar guard than get big man that can rebound and block shots. They don't need to score a lot. The lakers don't have big man that are that good at this and the Cavs lack defense from their big man.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HeatBasketball @ Apr 16 2006, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Alot of forwards can pass well and as for 3's and fadeaways that all goes under scoring which they can do greatly.Oh and it seems your gonna have to give up your left leg :rock:</div>Great big man can't score as dynamically as a great swingman can, can't playmake or pass like a great swingman.....and my left leg has been gone since T-Mac got hurt
Look at Shaq, his mere presence on the court makes everyone better. Name one one superstar in the league who's presence alone makes scruns look like stars? Shaq made damon jones look like a star.As i told you, it's easier to complement good bigmen than good swingman. Are you going to tell me that Tmac on that 2003 spurs team would lead them to a championship?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Apr 17 2006, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look at Shaq, his mere presence on the court makes everyone better. Name one one superstar in the league who's presence alone makes scruns look like stars? Shaq made damon jones look like a star.As i told you, it's easier to complement good bigmen than good swingman. Are you going to tell me that Tmac on that 2003 spurs team would lead them to a championship?</div> :worthy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Apr 17 2006, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look at Shaq, his mere presence on the court makes everyone better. Name one one superstar in the league who's presence alone makes scruns look like stars? Shaq made damon jones look like a star.As i told you, it's easier to complement good bigmen than good swingman. Are you going to tell me that Tmac on that 2003 spurs team would lead them to a championship?</div>Dwyane Wade also makes Damon Jones better. What is your point? Kobe though doesn't make anyone better because he is not a good passer like Wade so I can see your point based on the way Kobe has failed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Apr 17 2006, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dwyane Wade also makes Damon Jones better. What is your point? Kobe though doesn't make anyone better because he is not a good passer like Wade so I can see your point based on the way Kobe has failed.</div>Dywane Wade did NOT make Damon Jones better. Shaq made Damon Jones better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Apr 17 2006, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dywane Wade did NOT make Damon Jones better. Shaq made Damon Jones better.</div>I'm sure there is a grey area in this that both helped out Damon Jones. I feel that Wade is the better player at this point in Shaq's career but Shaq is still important. The comparison was between Wade's passing to Kobe's passing ability. This is where Wade has the biggest advantage. Wade's passing is the most underrated part of his game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hoopskidd5 @ Apr 15 2006, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe is in his prime now, LeBron is just continuing to improve every year and I think that age difference makes him the better choice..Why would you draft someone with intentions to trade him for someone else? If you can choose from anyone, take they better guy from the start instead of trading for him..Doesnt make much sense..</div>Yeah LeBron would be the better choice because in 12 years or so, Kobe will be thinking about retiring. in 12 years, Lebron will be in the middle of his prime. 21 + 12 so its 33 then yeah leBron would be in the middle of his prime. Kobe has just entered his prime. 28 years old and in his prime, wow. I think Kobe will be in his prime for MANY years. but what you said about drafting someone with the intention to trade them for someone else. drafting someone is different, but signing someone is different also. if you sign for example jermaine o'neal with the intention of trading him for the already signed with the timberwolves kevin garnett its considered trade bait or a sign and trade deal which you see all the time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Apr 17 2006, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look at Shaq, his mere presence on the court makes everyone better. Name one one superstar in the league who's presence alone makes scruns look like stars? Shaq made damon jones look like a star.As i told you, it's easier to complement good bigmen than good swingman. Are you going to tell me that Tmac on that 2003 spurs team would lead them to a championship?</div>That is unfair, as that Spurs team was built around TD. Looka t Bulls of 90's, that team was built around a SG and SF. They had no very good center or big men, but the role players fed off MJ and Pippen's playmaking and their presence.Bottom line is all star swingmen can get role playing centers open looks, and vice versa. Yes, big men are more rare, but not necassarily more important or valuable.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ Apr 17 2006, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah LeBron would be the better choice because in 12 years or so, Kobe will be thinking about retiring. in 12 years, Lebron will be in the middle of his prime. 21 + 12 so its 33 then yeah leBron would be in the middle of his prime. Kobe has just entered his prime. 28 years old and in his prime, wow. I think Kobe will be in his prime for MANY years. but what you said about drafting someone with the intention to trade them for someone else. drafting someone is different, but signing someone is different also. if you sign for example jermaine o'neal with the intention of trading him for the already signed with the timberwolves kevin garnett its considered trade bait or a sign and trade deal which you see all the time.</div>Yeah thats understandable but if you can pick from any player in the league, why not pick the best avaible player off the bat instead of taking someone else and trying to trade him for another individual when you could have just drafted that player to begin with..
The more rare you are, the more valuable you are. Look at the past decade how many of thoese teams were built around swingman? 1.Jordan was special, he was one of a kind, the GOAT. edit: Mavsfan, 2 people who kobe directly makes better is Brian Cook and smush. They get open looks simply because the defenses zone into kobe. Just look at Cook's percentages.My point mavsfan is that big men are more valuable because there more rare.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Apr 17 2006, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The more rare you are, the more valuable you are. Look at the past decade how many of thoese teams were built around swingman? 1.Jordan was special, he was one of a kind, the GOAT. edit: Mavsfan, 2 people who kobe directly makes better is Brian Cook and smush. They get open looks simply because the defenses zone into kobe. Just look at Cook's percentages.My point mavsfan is that big men are more valuable because there more rare.</div>Pacers were built around Reggie, who was kind of a swingman. The Sixers team who went to Finals were built around AI. The Sonics were built around Kemp and Payton. Bottom line is big men and swingmen both need a quality opposite and quality role players to ever do anything effective in the NBA. Look at KG....so much talent, most talented big man probably with the exception of Shaq. He got out of the 1st round once, only because of all star guards like Spree and Cassell. Without them healthy, he hasn't done anything, and he has had quality role players. Swingmen and big men need the opposite to be as effective as possible. I feel they are equally valuable, as even though big men are more rare, swingmen can do far more.
This is pretty simple but here is how you feed off a star player.If you have a star shooting guard the key is to have big men that can rebound, block shots, clog the paint, and score a little bit. Some examples of this include Desagna Diop, Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Erick Dampier and Alonzo Mourning. If you have a star big man make sure you have guards that can hit outside shots, (Bruce Bowen and Manu Ginobili) be able to slash (Parker and Ginobili), and lock down on defense. (Bruce Bowen)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Apr 17 2006, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is pretty simple but here is how you feed off a star player.If you have a star shooting guard the key is to have big men that can rebound, block shots, clog the paint, and score a little bit. Some examples of this include Desagna Diop, Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Erick Dampier and Alonzo Mourning. If you have a star big man make sure you have guards that can hit outside shots, (Bruce Bowen and Manu Ginobili) be able to slash (Parker and Ginobili), and lock down on defense. (Bruce Bowen)</div><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><u>NEVER, EVER</u></span> put Desagna Diop and Dampier in the same class as Ben and Rahseed Wallace and Zo!!!!
Why is that? They are key defenders for Dallas. They shut down Duncan 3 times this year. Just watch the games and you'll see how good they are defensively. Without them Dirk would be exposed on defense. lol
Nitro don't you learn? Anyone who plays on the mavs is destined to be an all time great.edit: Ok, Nitro answer me this question. Pick any superstar swingman in the league and put him in Duncan's place in 2003. Would the spurs win the championship? i don't think so. Big men like Shaq clog up the middle and make it easier for players.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Apr 17 2006, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:24pt;line-height:100%"><u>NEVER, EVER</u></span> put Desagna Diop and Dampier in the same class as Ben and Rahseed Wallace and Zo!!!!</div>Yeah, I gotta say that was homerism at its worst.
