CBO says health care bill costs $829B over decade

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  1. MrJayremmie

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    Considering thiose prognostics tend to be ultra conservative, the true figures make me wonder what a bankrupt country will look like on the international markets.
     
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    Not my favorite bill either, not by a long shot, but it does seem to be an improvement nonetheless over the current situation.

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    Tobacco users can get charged 1.5 times more than others? Why not do this for soda drinkers or people who eat bacon?
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    The international Markets already know what we look like.
     
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    Because bacon and soda taste good, like a cigarette should.

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    Because I like soda.
     
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    I don't like soda or bacon. gross. tax it!
     
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    How so?
     
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    Some quick, back-of-the-envelope calculations:

    assume 350 million citizens in the US.
    Current number of citizens without coverage: 30million
    Proposed coverage: 94%
    Proposed number not covered: 21 million
    Additional people covered by plan: 9million

    Estimated cost over 10 years: 830billion

    cost per new person covered per 10 years: 830billion / 9million = 92.2k

    cost per new person insured per year: $9.2k


    Am I WAY off on something here? If not, how does this even pass the "laugh" test? $9.2k per person, per year?

    Again, we're better off as tax payers to just continue paying for the uninsured as their problems arise.
     
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    well, it will fine the underemployed and underpaid american worker who doesn't get healthcare!
     
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    First, a disclaimer: I have not read the Baucus bill itself.

    Co-ops and exchanges: this is good, although a little clunky in design, it will allow people to buy insurance at a reasonable rate when their employer doesn't provide coverage. I like that there will be multiple plans available, and that those plans will have various defined minimum coverage levels. I like that there is a cheap high-deductable plan for the under-25 crowd.

    Making pre-existing conditions go away is a good thing. The higher rate for tobacco smokers, while a bit heavy-handed, is nevertheless useful social engineering. Requiring people to have insurance is a good thing in my book (although I'm not at all crazy about the particular implementation here).

    I'd have been in favor of more sweeping changes, but of course that's not really realistic for our system of government. This is a decent set of incremental changes.

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    You are off somewhat, anyway:

    You say 9 million more covered; CBO says 29 million more.

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    Strange. Your quote says it would reduce the uninsured by 29million, leaving 25million uninsured. 29+25 = 54million currently uninsured? That doesn't seem to agree with any previously used numbers for the uninsured. :dunno:
     
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    Because Bacon is an inalienable right!:ghoti:
     
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    That number is for 2019, not today. I assume it is a projection of what the situation would be then if there are no changes to the current scheme, although I haven't read the document carefully enough to verify that.

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    The choice of headline on the linked news story (and this thread) is interesting. Here's another choice for a headline about the same report:

    Health-Care Bill Wouldn't Raise Deficit, Report Says

    They sort of give two different impressions, don't they?

    The report actually says that the bill would reduce the deficit.

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    I noticed this too.

    I'm guessing their analysis shows the proposed increases in taxes pay for the $830billion cost. Either way, it still seems to say that overall healthcare spending (premiums or taxes) will go up.
     
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    That's basically correct. There are several pieces to the revenue & cost reduction side that together offset the spending. I would think overall spending would be going up, since we'll be covering more people, and also having some new mandates like not being able to exclude those with pre-existing conditions, which will presumably raise the cost. The CBO says it aint their damn job to compute national healthcare expenditures, however, so the answer to that question isn't provided here.

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    Amazingly, there are still Obama lemmings who think these plans will make overall healthcare spending decrease.
     

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