NO Harris and Daniels are more talented than DA, that doens't make them the best player.And if you read what I posted, I said "you know what your going to get with DA, the good and the bad, you don't know that with Marquise yet".And I stand by that.Mavsfan, you only want the young guys, and most talented guys playing all the time, when you just can't do that. Guys like Griff, Diop, and DA aren't the most talented guys, and aren't the best players at their positions even on the team, but they bring different things to the tables than those young and talented guys.Just because Stack and DA have lost a step, doesn't make them a worse starter than a guy like Daniels or Harris, they bring things like Leadership, and grit, and experience to the table. Those other guys can't do that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I want the BEST players on the court at all times</div>More like FAVORITE players on the court. This is like going in circles.
Well, we're leading by 20 after 3. I say give Terry and Dirk the ball for about 4-6 more minutes, then take them out.
Sorry but no. Stackhouse is not among the best players on this team. The best players go in this order. If the mavs listened to Marvin this team would lack athleticism. 1. Dirk2. Howard3. Terry4. Harris5. Dampier6. Diop7. Daniels8. Griffin9. Stackhouse10 Josh Powell11. Armstrong12. Van Horn. 13. Mbenga. Yes I admit he sucked last time he played.
No not if they listened to me, this is what they DO, and it's been working.Why fix something that isn't broke. IF you put the top 5 guys on your list as starters every game, than we'd be weak at SG, especially defensively.And Damp has proven he's been better coming off the bench than as a starter. But no, mavsfan, you want to have your favorite, or just the most talented players, on the court. Remember, basketball is a team sport, and you can't just have a team of great players, other things come into play. And there is such a thing as role players.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>If the mavs listened to Marvin this team would lack athleticism. 1. Dirk2. Howard3. Terry4. Harris5. Dampier6. Diop7. Daniels8. Griffin9. Stackhouse10 Josh Powell11. Armstrong12. Van Horn. 13. Mbenga. Yes I admit he sucked last time he played.</div>More like who Mavsfan likes in order. I'm sorry but Van Horn is better then Powell. Powell has done nothing. And I'm sorry but when did athleticism become key in winning? I thought it was more about the mental aspect. I mean look at the athletic guys in the league with no brain and do nothing with it. Smart players are ever so key then the athletic portion. Smart players stay in the league longer because let's face it, athleticism fades. Benga is a good example, same goes for Kwame Brown, Stromile Swift.Just wanted to add this, and great job on the list man, seriously that is superb workmanship. Every team should list the players from best to worst. I'm baffled at why you listed the players like that when all it shows is nothing. Wtf am I'm supposed to gather from that?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marvinmartian @ Apr 17 2006, 02:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No not if they listened to me, this is what they DO, and it's been working.Why fix something that isn't broke. IF you put the top 5 guys on your list as starters every game, than we'd be weak at SG, especially defensively.And Damp has proven he's been better coming off the bench than as a starter. But no, mavsfan, you want to have your favorite, or just the most talented players, on the court. Remember, basketball is a team sport, and you can't just have a team of great players, other things come into play. And there is such a thing as role players.</div>Just because they don't start the game doesn't mean they aren't the best lineup. Dampier seems more comfortable coming off the bench. Howard's versatility to guard either the best 2 or 3 is the key to that lineup. Not many teams have a threat at the 2 and 3 and so Terry will get the easier assignment. With the way the lineup is now Terry is forced to guard ALL point guards. So if he faces any of the top point guards it will be a disadvantage since he is a liability on defense. It is usually the fast point guards that give Terry the most trouble. Obviously you don't see Howard's versatility in allowing Terry to take the weak link on the other teams backcourt or small forward.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Apr 17 2006, 03:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>More like who Mavsfan likes in order. I'm sorry but Van Horn is better then Powell. Powell has done nothing. And I'm sorry but when did athleticism become key in winning? I thought it was more about the mental aspect. I mean look at the athletic guys in the league with no brain and do nothing with it. Smart players are ever so key then the athletic portion. Smart players stay in the league longer because let's face it, athleticism fades. Benga is a good example, same goes for Kwame Brown, Stromile Swift.Just wanted to add this, and great job on the list man, seriously that is superb workmanship. Every team should list the players from best to worst. I'm baffled at why you listed the players like that when all it shows is nothing. Wtf am I'm supposed to gather from that?</div>No. Just look up 82games.com. Oh that's right stats don't matter. Neither does Powell having a good game tonight.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>No. Just look up 82games.com. Oh that's right stats don't matter. Neither does Powell having a good game tonight.</div>What? If your saying I said stats don't matter, I didn't, I said your stupid efficiency stat don't, especially for bench players. And oh wow, a good game tonight. Let me applaud Powell. He is such the better player then Van Horn for tonight. Also, why didn't you bother responding to the other points in my post? Like explain why you listed them from best to worst. Because you felt it like it? I still don't see the point in it, OMG this player is better then this player on their own team. What's the point of trying to create a competition among whose better when they play on the same team.
To show you who is most valuable on this team. Simple answer and important that Avery knows it for our chances this year to win a championship. I would be pissed if Stackhouse starts thinking he is the man and hurts us in close games. I actually agree now that Griffin fits the starting lineup more but Avery seems to ignore Daniels who is more valuable than Stackhouse. Stackhouse getting overplayed while Daniels watches is something I don't want to see again like last years playoffs. Avery needs to learn to trust his young players. He probably would start Van Exel over Parker. j/k.
Your still trying to put the most talented players, who may not ACTUALLY be the best players to have on the court at the same time.I mean, it still comes up to the makeup of the team. If you have 5 guys that can score on the court at the same time, than your sacraficing chemistry and good teamwork, while if you have 3 guys that score(Dirk, Terry, Howard), 3 guys that play defense(Diop, Griffin, Howard), and 2 guys that are just plain role players, and know there roles as such(Diop and Griffin), than you have a better all around team on the court.Now if you need points, then yeah, you need to have Marquis and Harris on there instead of Griff. But that's more of a situational deal, where as the starting five we have now is more of a lineup that can go up against any lineup or style of play.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>To show you who is most valuable on this team.</div>The stat is skewed in showing that. Players benefit from certain players on the floor. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I actually agree now that Griffin fits the starting lineup more but Avery seems to ignore Daniels who is more valuable than Stackhouse. Stackhouse getting overplayed while Daniels watches is something I don't want to see again like last years playoffs. Avery needs to learn to trust his young players.</div>Well since Daniels is made of balsa wood and gets hurt, out again now with hamstring. Avery is just going with the guy he can count on and know what he's getting. Also, ain't like Daniels was playing his way into the starting line with his play recently. Add in what Richard said when Daniels was out, we were fine doesn't help Avery see Daniels importance.Oh and please shut the <Censored> up about Stack and Daniels. Whoever plays in the playoffs, whether it's Stack or Daniels will not screw up our run for a ring. You act like if we play Stack more then Daniels, it's over with. And it's not, we can win with Daniels sitting on the bench watching Stack and vice versa.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Avery needs to learn to trust his young players</div><Censored> no he doesn't when it comes playoff time. Why do you think young teams in the playoffs lose? Inexperience. Go root for the Bobcats or Hornets if you want to see a young team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Apr 17 2006, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't, I said your stupid efficiency stat don't,</div>It's a great formula and the most reliable formula to this day on who is most valuable on the team. Yeah the bench players that hardly ever play it doesn't work. It shows when a certain player is on the floor and when he is off and ratio of the positives and negatives of each and vice versa. If you call that stupid than look at Stackhouse's efficiency. Of course Stackhouse would have a good game once in a while. How else would he get minutes. I'm just saying in the long run it will hurt Dallas more than help. Too bad we can't sign a free agent at Shooting guard that can hit 3's.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Apr 17 2006, 03:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The stat is skewed in showing that. Players benefit from certain players on the floor.</div>The same could be said for everyone else. Not one person is screwed by player A. It takes out the part of the teams success and concentrates on that player based on the ratio. Daniels does play well with Howard if you haven't noticed before. Stackhouse playing heavy minutes in the playoffs is a formula for disaster. Stackhouse will wear out like he did this last month. He is not built for heavy minutes since he turned 30.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It's a great formula and the most reliable formula to this day on who is most valuable on the team. Yeah the bench players that hardly ever play it doesn't work. It shows when a certain player is on the floor and when he is off and ratio of the positives and negatives of each and vice versa. If you call that stupid than look at Stackhouse's efficiency. Of course Stackhouse would have a good game once in a while. How else would he get minutes. I'm just saying in the long run it will hurt Dallas more than help. Too bad we can't sign a free agent at Shooting guard that can hit 3's.</div> :no3: Please stop with the Stackhouse bagging. This is getting so old on here. He's here to stay, live with it and quit your bitching.And no we need more then a three point shooter at the 2, we need a starter that isn't one dimensional.
Yeah this team has holes in it. Otherwise I wouldn't have so many complaints with Avery. Deep teams that don't have a great starting lineup are in a disadvantage come playoff time. Putting young players around Dirk that can jump, play defense, and slash is a good chemistry to me. That's why Howard is the perfect compliment to Dirk at the small forward.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah this team has holes in it. Otherwise I wouldn't have so many complaints with Avery.</div>Keep it to yourself then. No team is perfect.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Deep teams that don't have a great starting lineup are in a disadvantage come playoff time.</div>The only bad thing about our starting line is sg, otherwise I don't see how it isn't one of the best. I mean we won 60 games. Only the Pistons can really say their talented at every position.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Putting young players around Dirk that can jump, play defense, and slash is a good chemistry to me.</div>To use your own words, that's a recipe for disater. How many young teams succeed in the playoffs?
Dirk is the scoring leader. The other young players just have to do their role. It's not like they have to be a go to guy. Howard is young. So what. They are best at defense and are given opportunities off of Dirk's game.Edit: Good argument. I'll add more tomorrow. I'm out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dirk is the scoring leader. The other young players just have to do their role. It's not like they have to be a go to guy. Howard is young. So what. They are best at defense and are given opportunities off of Dirk's game.</div>And when Dirk sits, what happens then? Seriously it's a bad track record of young teams in the playoffs, vets are needed. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Edit: Good argument. I'll add more tomorrow. I'm out.</div>It wasn't even a argument, your biased with your opinions. That list is a good example when there's no reason to make one.
Well Marquis Daniels already proved 2 years ago that he is clutch in the playoffs. You're being biased towards young players. You can't predict if someone will come through in the playoffs or not. Players go through hot and cold streaks. I think the personnel on your team is more important in the playoffs than your age. This team goes nowhere without Dirk anyways and Dirk will be playing 40+ minutes. Your simplifications of all young players play poorly in the playoffs is stupid.
If I remember correctly, 2 years ago was our worst outing in the playoffs, we got knocked out by a lower seed in the first round.That's not exactly a good arguement that helps your cause. I mean we depended on Marquis, and while he did score, the team didn't do well.We can't have just the young guys in there, or we will be run out in the playoffs. They will get to play, but having a bunch of young guys isn't good chemistry like you said, it just is more talented, but probably isn't the best lineup we could put out there.
Well considering how bad Marquis Daniels outplayed our vet Finley than that shows that age is not a factor but the person. Also Wade's first playoff experience was awesome. It isn't the age but the player you have on your team. Slashers tend to have more success in playoffs because the pressure sometimes gets to jump shooters and they struggle because of pressing.
