Re: Who's the MVP?? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Apr 19 2006, 06:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ummm....Cavs are 49-31, and will probably get #50 tonight against ATL.I agree it is a tossup, but the numbers are definately in favor of Bron, record in favor of bron, and the intangible go to Kobe.</div>Lebron missed 2 games so i subtracted it from their team record. Same as the lakers.
Re: Who's the MVP?? I think Lebron is the MVP if we are saying who means most to their team and not using the best record as an argument. The cavs would have the biggest drop off without Lebron over Kobe or Dirk or any other candidate.
Re: Who's the MVP?? DID ANY OF YOU GUYS SEE MY GREAT POST IN THE FIRST PAGE!?!?!?CLEVELAND WOULD BE A 44-38 team in the West!!
Re: Who's the MVP?? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Apr 18 2006, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lebron missed 2 games so i subtracted it from their team record. Same as the lakers.</div>Oh, oops...
Re: Who's the MVP?? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Waqas @ Apr 16 2006, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because, 10 teams in the NBA are better than Kobe, maybe that's why?</div>I stopped reading there.This is what is wrong with most NBA fans. You don't realize that the MVP award is about individual achievement. Its not about team success. The NBA already has an award for the best player on the best team, its called Finals MVP.But of course, since you're a Mavs fan, and the biggest thing you have going for Dirk for MVP would be his team success, you're obviously gonna put together the most Dirk-pro statistics and bring up team success.
Re: Who's the MVP?? ^That's where your wrong.The MVP award is about perception. There is no rule saying that the award is based solely on personal achievement, and no rule saying that the MVP's team even has to have a winning record.Some years guys win it based solely on their teams success, and some years like this one, with Kobe and Bron being legitimate candidates, personal achievement could outweigh some guys on great teams.And the only thing going for Dirk isn't just that he's on a great team, as far as I"m concerned from reading ya'll post, that's a hadicapp, it doesn't help him. Dirk is a great player, and having a great year, and one of the only MVP candidates that can really say he gets better every year, year after year.But of course, anytime a Mavs fan says anything about their team, they're just being homers. Then again, some of them Mavs fans are really bad, but most of us aren't blinded like that.
Re: Who's the MVP?? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Apr 19 2006, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Lebron is the MVP if we are saying who means most to their team and not using the best record as an argument. The cavs would have the biggest drop off without Lebron over Kobe or Dirk or any other candidate.</div>Lakers are 0-2 without kobeCavs are 1-0 without lebron [Ny isn't a real team]What happens when the lakers need a scorer? Lamar Odom is not a scorer, that's not his game. Ziggy is a more naturaly scorer than odom. What's going to happen when smush parker and Cook's freelooks disappear? Consider this, there is a 2 game difference between the cavs and lakers when both star players are playing. Consider the fact that Kobe plays in the west, a mouch tougher division where lebron plays in a conference where the 5th seed is 1 game above .500. Consider the fact that the only team in the central division who is above .500 besides the cavs is detroit. Consider the fact that there are 3 teams in the pacific region who are above .500 [not including the lakers]. Consider the fact Kobe's had to put up 43 in one month to keep the lakers afloat.Does a 2 game difference really overwhelm what i've just said? Absolutely no.No, you don't consider anything. Everything you say is an assumption, everything i said in that paragraph is a fact.
Re: Who's the MVP?? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shadyballa8D12 @ Apr 18 2006, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I stopped reading there.This is what is wrong with most NBA fans. You don't realize that the MVP award is about individual achievement. Its not about team success. The NBA already has an award for the best player on the best team, its called Finals MVP.But of course, since you're a Mavs fan, and the biggest thing you have going for Dirk for MVP would be his team success, you're obviously gonna put together the most Dirk-pro statistics and bring up team success. </div>Really? Because historically the season MVP has gone to players on winning teams.Please show me the last time a player won the MVP with a team seeded lower than sixth in the conference.
Re: Who's the MVP?? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Apr 19 2006, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Really? Because historically the season MVP has gone to players on winning teams.Please show me the last time a player won the MVP with a team seeded lower than sixth in the conference.</div>I'm not sure where they were placed but Kareem won whilst his team was 40-42 or was it 42-40? I think it was the former.http://www.82games.com/pelton13.htmRead that and explain how kobe does not make his teamates betterPlayer with w/o diff-----------------------------Brown 76.8 68.5 + 8.3Bynum 66.9 49.5 +17.4Cook 104.6 100.9 + 3.8George 92.0 80.2 +11.8Mihm 96.4 81.1 +15.3Odom 92.9 91.9 + 1.0Parker 100.5 73.3 +27.2Profit 90.5 86.1 + 4.4Vujacic 95.9 72.7 +23.2Walton 81.2 64.2 +17.0Just look at smush, sasha and mihm's + points and please explain to me how kobe bryant does not make them better?
Re: Who's the MVP?? Why does how much your team would drop off without you matter for MVP? I see this argument everywhere, 'well if LBJ was hurt Cleveland would suck more than if Kobe was hurt...blah blah blah'...Does for example Tim Duncan not get MVP because his team wouldn't be as bad without him because he has a better team around him? Come on folks, you take the best players in the game with good statistical years and who obviously are going to the playoffs and you decide MVP by figuring out who the best is, not all this other <Censored>. If I hear Chauncey Billups mentioned for MVP one more time i'm going to puke.
Re: Who's the MVP?? Why is that? He's had a great year statistically and plays on both sides of the floor. He has no weaknesses. Kobe only dreamed he could shoot from 3 as well as Billups. His +/- is just as good and his team is winning 20 more games to follow that up. He definitely is in the mix and I think he is a better option than Nash.
Re: Who's the MVP?? MVP is not the best player in the game. That doesnt explain why Steve Nash won it last year, does it? MVP is Most Valuable Player not Best player. It definately has to do with how much the player helps his team. That is a huge chunk of what the award is all about.
Re: Who's the MVP?? I take the best 5 statistical years, I take out the players who's teams missed the playoffs and I choose the best player out of the 3 or 4 players. That's how you get the Duncan's, KG's, Shaq's, Kobe's ect...
Re: Who's the MVP?? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clutch_Melo_061 @ Apr 19 2006, 05:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure where they were placed but Kareem won whilst his team was 40-42 or was it 42-40? I think it was the former.</div>EXACTLY. That was in the 1975-1976 season. You have to go back 30 years to find a player who won the MVP while his team wasn't one of the top teams in the league.
Re: Who's the MVP?? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Apr 19 2006, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I take the best 5 statistical years, I take out the players who's teams missed the playoffs and I choose the best player out of the 3 or 4 players. That's how you get the Duncan's, KG's, Shaq's, Kobe's ect...</div>MVP= Most VALUABLE Player, meaning most valuable to team and to NBA. Kobe and Bron fill that mold. Then of course the statistics, and Bron and Kobe lead that again. The you have historical significance, and once again, Kobe and bron.It is between these 2 for MVP, no doubt.
Re: Who's the MVP?? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Apr 19 2006, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>EXACTLY. That was in the 1975-1976 season. You have to go back 30 years to find a player who won the MVP while his team wasn't one of the top teams in the league.</div>Never happy are you? First you ask to find one, and once one is found you have to find another complaint.Just sad.
Re: Who's the MVP?? by Sam RubensteinKobe and LeBron are a part of every MVP conversation for something like this: great numbers, 30 point-plus scorers, carrying flawed teams on their backs to the heights of mediocrity. Okay, then I've got another guy to add to the list. Gilbert Arenas. He's at 29.5 a game right now, which is close enough, not to mention his six assists per game and two steals, good enough for fourth in the league. LeBron's team stole Larry Hughes from him, and Gilbert responded by adding four points and one more assist every time out, plus he took over Larry's role on the defensive end. Last year Hughes led the league in steals, this year Gilbert leads all players headed to the playoffs. Granted, Antawn Jamison is arguably better than anyone that Kobe or LeBron plays with, and Gilbert's in Eddie Jordan's scorer-friendly system. But you cannot deny that the Wizards go as Gilbert goes. He's already made a handful of crunch time baskets, drawing fouls at the end, hitting big threes, but for whatever reason the media doesn't make a big deal out of whether he's clutch or not. He is. Maybe it's because he wasn't a fancy lottery pick or even a first round pick like everyone else in MVP land.So much of this MVP race has come down to arguments about what individual players don't have around them. Kobe gets extra credit because he's doing so much with so little around him, though the potential is there for guys like Lamar Odom and even Kwame Brown to contribute more. For whatever reason, they're not playing up to their physical talent, which could mean that their team leader is not making them better. LeBron plays with one of the better centers, good shooters, and supposedly explosive wing players, though all we hear about is how everyone is underperforming and LeBron has to keep saving them. Well, Gilbert gets his numbers for the Wizards, but without taking away from what Jamison and Caron Butler can do.If you're thinking, huh, the Wizards? Were they even in the league this year? I could say nobody would have noticed the Lakers or Cavs if it weren't for their hyped up superstars. If we're willing to call the MVP an award for superior performance on a mediocre team, then Gilbert's right there with any of them. Personally I think the MVP should go to the best player on the best team, hence my vote is for Chauncey this year. But this is about Gilbert. An inconsistent team? Sure. Did they have a few 5 game losing streaks, one coming at a really bad time? Hey, nobody's perfect. Just don't be surprised when Gilbert is torching the young potential MVP in the first round.
Re: Who's the MVP?? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>by Sam Rubenstein</div>Is that you?
Re: Who's the MVP?? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Apr 19 2006, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>MVP= Most VALUABLE Player, meaning most valuable to team and to NBA. Kobe and Bron fill that mold. Then of course the statistics, and Bron and Kobe lead that again. The you have historical significance, and once again, Kobe and bron.It is between these 2 for MVP, no doubt.</div>Dallas is 0-1 with out Dirk we lost bad to the Clipps haha so you saying that because Dallas couldnt win with out Dirk he is going to be a MVP player? In my eyes he is MVP but your logic is wack
Re: Who's the MVP?? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Is that you?</div> :yahoo: no.But it could be.
