Sounds like Webster is gonna start.... and some thoughts

37% is pretty close to the league average, when you look at how crappy Martell's other percentages have been on long twos (high 30s) and his high watermark for overall shooting percentage is 42% (with his first two years sub 40%) then yeah, 37% is pretty bad for a shooting specialist.

Nic's a defensive specialist, so his 37% from distance is OK, and his overall 45% on field goals is pretty good considering his role. Make sense now?

Edit:
If you had to project outward, who would you have been more hopeful about?
http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=0&p1=webstma02&y1=2006&p2=batumni01&y2=2009

 

37% from 3 is NOT LEAGUE Average. Are you pulling stats out from your ass?

 

36% is roughly league average last time I checked ... mostly because better 3 point shooters take more shots than crappy 3 point shooters.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/league_stats.html

I'm trying to find last year's stats, but you get the picture ...

Ah here it is: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html scroll down to see league averages and you're right I was wrong, league average isn't 36% it's 36.7% ... stick that in your ass.

 

LMAO! Webster's shooting in his last year from behind the arch was 38.8%. I do admire your reaching though. How has he done so far in "pre-season"? How has Batum done? You can play ESPN Classic with me all day long, but what's going on now is what determines how you rate the player.

You sound like one of those old Varisty Football players that is still holding onto their glory days of yesteryear.

 

LMAO! According to your brilliant logic, Paul pierce is a worst outside shooter than Batum. .366 from behind the arch and .443 FG throughout his career. Batum has outperformed Pierce! HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Nice argument.

Webster has lit it up going 2-8 (.250)
Batum has attempted 1, and missed it (.000)

Andre' "dead eye" Miller is shooting .333
Steve Blake is going to set a record .571




3 games into pre-season means shit.

 

Exactly! Which is why tossing silly stats means absolutely nothing. I just made a comparison statistically that Boston would trade us Paul Pierce for Batum with that statistically flawed logic.

 

Miller has only taken a lot of shots in one game. The same could be said of Websters offensive production, it has only happened for one game, although it was a good one. But remember before Webster went off for like 24 points in a quarter but failed to show up for several games in a row. So we will see how it works out tonight. Utah was the team he tended to have a lot of confidence against for some reason.

So as I was saying, it is really easy to make general statements based off of one game. The only players who I think have showed up every game and played well, are Aldridge and Oden. They are the only guys on the team that can say they have played pretty well in the time they have played every game so far.

 

Oh and psst... I seem to remember Webster shooting 41% for most the year in 07/08. Now anyone with any smarts that year would still tell you Webster didn't do well. The same applies for Batum. He only got 11 minutes a game. Many "pro-batum" posters should argue, it's not the statistical numbers, but what they see on the court.

So when you supporters get back to that type of debate, I will take you all seriously. Until then, you guys can toss those "Stats" out the window.

 

The guy took 5 years to just become a below average player. You should never have to wait 5 years for a player to become "below average". Guys roll into the league every year and make more impact in their first year than Outlaw has in his best year.

 

I hear you. There is a big difference between players who actually takea volume of shots, and those who do not. Many games last year, if Batum took more than one or two shots, it was agressive night for him. The facts are, in order to impact the game offensivly, you have to take shots. Joel Pryzbilla shoots a great percentage when he can actually catch the ball 2 inches from the basket. But I wouldn't consider him a good offensive player. EVAR!

 

Actually, no I sound like somebody who knows what he's talking about ... despite my ability to pull statistics "out of my ass."

Martell's a career 37% shooter from distance and a woeful 41% overall, cut that any way you like it, that's pretty mediocre to bad for a shooting specialist.

How I rate Matell is exactly what he is, an inconsistent player drafted too high and somebody who's battle the yips enough times to make me think he's probably going to end up nothing more than decent reserve.

Nic I rate as extremely raw offensively, but for his age and what he already brings in transistion, offensive rebounding, blocks and overall defense I think he has great potential to be a high quality starting defensive wing ...

 

And that's what I'm saying all along. Tossing silly "per 48 minutes", career averages, rebounds, etc. are a measuring stick, but you can never make a fair assessment unless you watch both players very carefully. Leave that to the coaching staff that watches them play in practice and on the court every day. If they drop the ball, then get someone that knows better. Some of these "pro-Batum" supporters think they hang with him all day long. Kinda funny really.

 

You accuse me of pulling things out of my ass and yet ...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?playerId=2795&sYear=2008&sType=1

show me this 41%+ for most of the year crap you're talking about. throw out the one game in october and the one game in april for his splits and he shot exactly one month over 41%.

 

So I guess you know more than Nate then huh? Maybe KP should hire you... hehehe... Regardless of those "Stats" that I clearly exposed I.E. Paul Pierce, you are ignoring the simple truth. Pulling stats to support your claim is like using a sharpie to draw a mustache on your lip. Looks like a mustache but ain't the real thing.

 

Yeah, your much better off using absolutely nothing at all to back up your claims about a player ... I've seen Martell play, and aside from "The Quarter" I've always been left wanting more -- a lot more out of his game.

BTW, Paul Pierce isn't exactly known for being a dead-eye shooter and floor spacer, he's a driver and scorer who makes his living by being able to take people off the bounce and either finish at the rim, draw a foul, hit from foul line extended or at the elbow. Marty and Pierce's games have about as much in common as Brandon and Rudy.

 

You must be a new fan then. Because I remembered clearly that Webster was averaging 41% for half the season. Everyone in Blazerville was ecstatic about it, but many "educated" fans were saying he didn't do well. You see, before "Batum", there was Webster. Everyone loved him and wanted him to start over Udoka. Remember that? It happens every year. A new blood comes in and everyone goes "Goo goo" over them. Let's have this conversation later on this season. If Webster looks bad, I will be the first to tell you I'm wrong. If he's much improved, I suspect you won't be the one telling me you're wrong. I can accept that. Until then, keep those "stats" on your fantasy b-ball league.

 

Well when I get my drivers permit next year I hope to be able to drive to see more games ... Spare me the sanctimonious bullshit.

As for owning up to anything, I hope Martell makes the leap and really owns the position, but since there's been nothing in his past to suggest it I won't be holding my breath.

For my own part, I would have preferred to keep Udoka and his defense. I'm just crazy that way.

 

Now I know you want to be a coach. Tell Nate to lag off Pierce to double others. Hell leave him Wide-open so you can play his "Slashing, Posting and drawing the foul game" I bet he won't be able to look at you with a "Straight Face"

 

Now keep in mind. I'm not a Webster supporter. Just a little FYI. But I get tired of fans hailing a player like Batum, or Sergio before him, or Outlaw before him or Webster before him. Webster was the 6th pick in the draft. A draft where we could of had CP3 or Williams before him. Why Nash did this, I have no clue, but we are stuck with him. I think he was a blown pick, but I want nothing but the best of luck for him. If Batum outplays him and earns the starting nod over Webs, then I support Batum. Regardless, you are being extremely myopic and trying to argue over details that don't have enough data to support.