Sounds like Webster is gonna start.... and some thoughts

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  1. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Round and round we go ... who's being myopic? I merely pointed out that Martell isn't the dead-eye shooter that some were suggesting and next thing I know "I'm pulling things out of my ass" and "I must be a new fan."

    Nic's value as a player for me isn't his offensive game it's his good defensive game complimented by what has been to date a very average offensive game, I contrasted this with Martell's (historically) very mediocre to average offensive game to go along with a very average defensive game. That's it, nothing more, take that however you like.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Pierce is a good 3 point shooter for a scorer (and he's gotten better consistently throughout his career, so of course he's a better 3 point shooter than Nicolas). But If you want to think that I'm saying Nic is a better offensive player than Pierce, then that's on you, I was only pointing out that he's more of a scorer than a shooter, people have to sag off of him because he will drive by somebody on his way to the hoop if they play him close.

    If Martell had Pierce's skillset AND the ability to shoot 38% from the arc he'd be a great player, but he's pretty much only good at spotting up for jumpers (so far) which makes him look not so hot.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Now see I like debating like this much better. I guess my whole argument or debate all along is "Webster and Batum" are Blazers. Since we are all "Blazer Fans", why can't we be happy with the players that "so far" earned the starting nod? If Batum gets the starting nod, then I would be completely and totally supportive of him as well.

    I stopped being a fan of an individual since Sheed Wallace. Now I am a fan of the entire team. Because being a fan of the team, instead of the player has such a greater reward. Seriously, when I watch the game now, I don't watch a specific player. I don't get mad if someone has the ball over the "star player" I'm all "Goo Goo" over.

    So I don't know why I started bashing at you. Maybe it was a little to do with the bashing on Webster. Can we still be friends?
     
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    sorry that I occasionally have a life. Sorry that I believe in facts over bluster. I'm sorry for all of us that you can't read.

    If I'm down by 3 with seconds to go, barring foul trouble or injury neither Batum or Martell is in the game. Those are poor options compared to Rudy, Blake, Roy, and Outlaw. Hell I'd probably rather have LaMarcus take the shot as he has hit game winners. Martell has battled the yips throughout his career and those don't go away with the game on the line... why do you think Nate refuses to even play him in crunch time? Nic also hasn't been trusted with crunch time minutes in PDX but I can recall him airballing a 3 to win a game for France this summer. Basically I'm equally comfortable with either of them taking such a shot... flip a coin and cross your fingers that they're able to draw iron.

    now please be so kind as to answer my questions... (1) why don't you believe in facts? (2) remind me of Martell's last clutch shot

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    DEAL COMING SOON!:ghoti:
     
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    1. i believe in what i see. stats are stats. webby over batum. the question i asked you was never answered. last shot with ball in hands... webster or batum?

    2. martell was out all last year so i dont remember. judging from pre season... webster should start.
     
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    I'm late to this game, and generally don't have anything to add to the thread that others haven't said. Most know that I'm a Martell Believer, but I understand that he hasn't proven anything yet, and if he doesn't soon he'll be left behind.
    But I don't quite understand (maybe I missed it) where the "clutchness" aspect came up. I mean, in the situation talked about earlier (down 3, last shot, etc.) I think everyone would have Roy take the shot, with maybe Rudy or Blake or Travis as a much poorer second/3rd option. But Roy was 4th on the team (not counting Shavlik's 1/1) in 3pt% last year, and 6th the year before. But I'd rather Roy take that shot than, say, Blake, James Jones, Jack, Webster etc. What does 3pt% (or FG% in particular) have to do with clutchness or the yips? Blake, and Outlaw, and Jack before them, hit pretty big momentum-changing shots over the last couple of years, but I'm not sure I'd say they are on the same level as Roy. (Or Pierce, for that matter :) ).

    As far as Nate's "crunch time" lineup, there is a lot of debate about who should've and shouldn't have been in those lineups last year. I'm not sure that "he's playing, so he's obviously more clutch/less yippy" is a solid, factual, argument in this respect--though you may well be right.
     
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    whats hard to understand about both options being equally poor? If I had to even put one of them in with the game on the line it would be based on how they'd done that game... certainly the play wouldn't be drawn up for them.
    it was a rhetorical question... the reason you can't recall one is because there isn't one to remember.

    preseason results mean next to nothing. Judging from games that actually do matter, Batum should start for all the reasons that have been stated umpteen times prior. I understand you feel differently... oh well.

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    in all honesty... sounds like we have much bigger issues

    oden and miller not starting

    webster and batum are on the back burner... i think we can agree on that
     
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    maybe... :ghoti:

    I'm much less concerned with who starts games compared to who plays starter type minutes (30-ish) and to a lesser extent, who finishes games. If Greg and Andre aren't starting but are producing as I expect them to and playing 28-35 MPG, I really doubt I'll be complaining about their roles.

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