5/18, 4 Assists from the "PG" Miller in 38 Minutes

Interesting point. I just took a look at their performances so far:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jerryd_bayless/index.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_blake/index.html

Both playing around 20 minutes and 5+ games, so it's a pretty fair head-to-head comparison.

Bayless is getting to the free throw line a LOT more. Both are shooting piss-poor (sub .400), although Blake is even better than his usual dead-eye from three point range (.476).

What really stands out is turnovers--1 per game for Bayless, 3 per game for Blake.

Neither guy really "runs" an offense. Blake waits for an open 3, Bayless waits for the opportunity to drive and draw fouls.

I haven't seen any games, but just knowing Bayless he's probably at least as good on the defensive end.

If these two guys are playing even close to a draw, you have to give the minutes to Bayless. He's just so much younger and has so much more upside.

Interesting to think that two guys who had become fixtures on our team (Outlaw and Blake) suddenly look like they could be competing for any playing time they can get.

 

Yeah, because that's what Stockton and Magic and Kidd and Chris Paul and Deron Williams did. Oh wait, not they didn't. On a lot of teams they were the third (or better) leading scorer.

 

How were you able to watch the game? I was under the impression that the games weren't on TV.

 

That's simply not true. We all heard the game, and followed the lineups.

He shot regularly the entire time he played, and rarely gave up the ball until the clock was almost run out, leaving others to heave up last second prayers.

He's all about making himself look better than his teammates.

His career attempts = 9541 His career assists = 6020

John Stockton's attempts = 13658 John's career assists = 15,806

See the ratio disparity?

 

Bayless has performed far better than Miller also in pre-season, so you support starting Bayless and having Blake and Miller fight for backup scraps?

 

It's hard to shoot well when you are frozen out of the offense by a ballhog who only passes to you after you're doubled or the shot has run out.

Both shot just fine before Miller arrived, and both will shoot fine once he's gone, which hopefully for our chances this year will be ASAP!

 

How has he performed better? Miller has more assists per game or per minute, more points and is shooting .472 to Bayless' .379. That last one is a whopping difference.

*sigh* Why do I even reply? It's clear you won't be satisfied until everybody agrees with you that Sergio Rodriguez is the best young PG in the NBA.

 

You really think he wants people to agree? For awhile I wasn't completely convinced MARIS was a troll (somewhat embarrassingly I admit that I thought it actually was possible for somebody to be that dense). He's a pretty effective troll in that even though you know he's jerking you around you still feel compelled to reply if only because you don't want people to become stupider for having read what he writes.

[video=youtube;fEkWH8DB7b0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0[/video]

 

I was just using the lump stats and didn't feel like adding in last night, But I can since you asked.
Adjusted for last night, per 30 minutes plus FG%

Andre 12.8 fga 47%
LMA 12.7 fga 49%
Outlaw 12.7 fga 33%
Oden 12.1 fga 55%
Roy 10.9 fga 31%

So for every 300 minutes played Andre shoot one more shot than Outlaw or LMA. Roy isn't taking the shots because frankly he isn't making them.

It's preseason things are different.

 

Did you see the game, or are you just making stuff up based on the box score? It sure sounds like the latter.

The Blazers were without Aldridge and Rudy - two of their better offenseive players. Miler did not start. So, he was not in the line-up with Roy and Oden at the start of the game. By the time he came in, both Oden and Roy were out of the game with foul trouble. So, there go our two remaining top scoring options.

That left Miller playing the vast majority of his minutes with Joel Rrzybilla (I love Joel, but he's not much of an offenseive threat), Juwan Howard (also not much of a scoring threat at this point in his career), Steve Blake (3-12), and Travis Outlaw (1-7). Given those options, Miller was smart to look for his own shot, and even smarter to drive the lane and draw fouls. He was clearly THE best scoring option we had on the court for much of the game last night. He was put in a situation where he needed to score to keep the Blazers in the game, with Blake and Outlaw shooting a combined (4-19), with 1 assist and 6 TOs, I can't believe you are trying to paint Miller as some kind of scapegoat - in a game his team won.

Please stop with the insults about my "poor grasp of the basic fundamentals of team play". Such ad hominem attacts add nothing to the discussion and are insulting and inaccurate. I have played, watched and coached competive basketball for over 40 years. I know a thing our two about team basketball. The "problem" last night wasn't Miller's lack of playing team ball, it was his teammates inability to hit an open jump shot and not turn the ballover.

BNM

 

Just for the sake of throwing mud at a wall.

Per 30 minutes numbers
Andre
16.5 pp30
4.1 rp30
4.4 ap30
2.5 top30
4.9 ftap30
1.8 ast/to

Blake
10.2 pp30
3.0 rp30
4.0 ap30
4.5 top30
1.2 ftap30
0.9 ast/to

Bayless
14.8 pp30
2.7 rp30
3.0 ap30
1.7 top30
10.8 ftap30
1.8 ast/to

 

Total bullshit. Travis didn't force one shot with the shot clock winding down due to Andre Miller. Travis did force a lot of shots, but it was his own doing, not Millers. Blake had plenty of time to catch and shoot as well. His shot simply was not falling last night. Try watching the game next time rather than making up totally inaccurate scenarios.

So, now you're claiming Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw have never had off shooting nights in the past. That the ONLY reason they shot poorly last night was Andre Miller. Double bullshit.

At least you can't blame Sergio's 3+ years of horrible shooting on Miller - although I wouldn't put it past you to try.

BNM

 

+1.

I'm still constantly amazed at the amount of replies he is able to get from his comments.

 

Or, to simply be accurate and not read your Miller-love into it, Miller shoots more than anyone on the team, and has relegated Roy to our 5th option.

 

That equals 1.58 FGA/AST. That's hardly shoot first PG territory.

Terry Porter: 11734 FGA, 7160 AST = 1.63 FGA/AST

So, Terry Porter had a HIGHER career FGA/AST ratio than Andre Miller. Do you also consider Porter a selfish ballhog who was "all about making himself look better than his teammates"?

Let's see you try to worm your way out of this one.

BNM

 

More importantly Sergio has more shot attempts than assists in his career as well. Shocking that Maris did not bring this up.

 

All 3 were valuable because they were awesome defenders, which Andre is not.

All 3 had shooting range, which Andre does not.

All 3 guys were largely looked at to be main scorer's due to not so deep teams offensively, and yes, Miller was previously in the same boat on his 4 teams.
On our far deeper team he should not outshoot anybody. He has made no effort to improve other players games. None at all.

Payton's and Strickland's teams were also perennial under-achievers throughout their careers.

 

Terry had twice the range as Andre, providing more legitimate shooting opportunities and the opportunity to spread the defense with 3's.

Andre can't hit consistently from beyond 12' so he's allowing the defense to pack it in and he's shooting when he has little chance of scoring, and we have little chance of rebounding his misses.

 

Field Goals per assist

Derrick Rose 2.33
Chauncey Billups 1.97
Tony Parker 2.40
Chris Paul 1.47

Heck even Magic took more shots than Assists. Stockton was the other way around but seems to be an anomaly. Most of the guys that are thought of as pass 1st have ratios around 1.5