Uhh, obviously the Hawks. Here's why:Isiah Thomas has ruined the NYK franchise by signing garbage players to max contracts. They now have 12 players that are earning 5 mil this season. Their team payroll this year is over 123 million dollars. They will not be able to get rid of all these contracts. Therefor, they will not be able to sign a free agent for a long time. I dont see whats so great about Nate Robinson. He's an undersized SG who is forced to play pg. He doesnt have any pg skills. He has a bad attitude and people only like him because the kid can jump. Channing Frye is a good scorer and all. He has got a decent jumper and he can score downlow but he isnt a good defensive player. David Lee can shoot and I like the kid but he isnt that great. The good thing is that after this horrible season they will get a #1 pick, right? NO! They traded that baby away as well for another big contract with a heart problem in Eddy Curry who cant rebound or play defense worth a damn. Things are definately not looking good for the Knicks.The Hawks on the other hand have a good defensive player in Josh Smith who is a very athletic player. He is a great shotblocker and he can get inside and jam it home. Childress isnt a great shooter but he is an alright inside scorer. Salim Stoudamire is a very good shooter. He looks like his cousin over in Portland, minus the pg skills. Marvin Williams is one of the most talented players in the League. He is a very good shooter, long arms. He can score inside, post up. Just a great offensive talent. He looks to be a good defensive player as well. They got JJ who is a very smooth shooter and a great scorer who looks to pass the ball. They got a top 3 pick this season and they should be investing in a Power Forward. They dont have any truly heavy contracts and they are going up as a franchise.Because of the Knicks contracts, they should be the armpit of the NBA for several more seasons.Hawks easily take this one by default.
you're right about the contract situation but i really think francis can be traded possibly during the draft. the huge contract of marbury is probably here until it expires. 2 big contracts of taylor and rose expire next season. anyway i think the younger guys of the knicks are better than the hawks younger guys. nate can't just jump. he's a good outside shooter and he brings energy to the floor. he always gets the crowd involved. frye can be a good low post defender. he needs to have quicker feet. lee isn't gonna be a great player but brown compares him to hard worker bobby jones from the sixers when they won the title in 1980 i believe it was. lee's a fan fav and he's an athletic player. if the knicks weren't so far over the cap would anyone still think the hawks have more potential.
So who on the Knicks do you think will be a future All-Star..I could give you some good reasoning on why 2-4 players on the Hawks could possibly be future all-stars.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Apr 19 2006, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you're right about the contract situation but i really think francis can be traded possibly during the draft. the huge contract of marbury is probably here until it expires. 2 big contracts of taylor and rose expire next season. anyway i think the younger guys of the knicks are better than the hawks younger guys. nate can't just jump. he's a good outside shooter and he brings energy to the floor. he always gets the crowd involved. frye can be a good low post defender. he needs to have quicker feet. lee isn't gonna be a great player but brown compares him to hard worker bobby jones from the sixers when they won the title in 1980 i believe it was. lee's a fan fav and he's an athletic player. if the knicks weren't so far over the cap would anyone still think the hawks have more potential.</div> But you honestly can't tell me those three are better than Josh Smith, Josh Childress, Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Salim Stoudamire and Zaur Pachulia.
jamal crawford for sure maybe frye. i think having more than 2 all-stars is too many on a team. of coarse the pistons are an exception because they define team play. but look at what happened with the lakers when they had shaq, kobe, karl malone and gary payton. too many egos. for a good team i think you need one or two stars along with good role players.frye has potential to be a lights out perimeter shooter and bring it inside once he gains strength. i think once he reaches his prime he can average 18 and 10. not really all-star numbers but you never know.jamal definitely will be an all-star as long as he plays like he did the last month or two of the season. he was putting up over 20 points a game and playing good defense. his numbers for april are 22ppg, 5apg and 2.6spg. those are all-star numbers. his problem throughout his career has been consistency but he showed good consistency for the last month. he didn't do that last season and i think larry brown has taught him to have better shot selection and be more aggresive. he's a good free throw shooter so when he's aggressive he goes to the line more than he used to. he's taking more free throws than three's which is proof that he is more aggressive and his shot selection has improved.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Apr 19 2006, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But you honestly can't tell me those three are better than Josh Smith, Josh Childress, Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Salim Stoudamire and Zaur Pachulia.</div>i said in an earlier post it's not just those three. it's also jackie butler, qyntel woods and jamal crawford.
Are you kidding me? Your too biased to even have a simple discussion with. 1. Marvin Williams 2. Josh Smith 3. Salim Stoudamire 4. Josh Childress 5. Joe Johnson 6. Zaur Pachulia or 1. Channing Frye 2. David Lee 3. Nate Robinson 4. Jackie Butler 5. Eddy Curry 6. Qyntel Woods You keep yacking about the Knicks players while never giving your reasons why you don't like the Hawks players as much.
1. Marvin Williams > Jackie Butler2. Josh Smith > David Lee3. Salim Stoudamire 4. Josh Childress > Qyntel Woods5. Joe Johnson > Nate Robinson6. Zaur Pachulia = Channing Frye5. Eddy Curry is overrated and I cant compare him to Salim since they play totally different positions..Hes not giving reasons, because there is NO reasoning to support his statements..hes being a biased <Censored> about this..and hes ATTEMPTING to prove that the Knicks have more potential so he can bragg about it..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Apr 19 2006, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You keep yacking about the Knicks players while never giving your reasons why you don't like the Hawks players as much.</div>yea i did. i must've said it in another post. marvin williams has star potential but he should've stayed in school another year. he came off the bench in unc.josh childress has the ugliest shot in the nba with shawn marion right behind him. childress is a pretty good player but i think that's all he'll be.josh smith is the only one out of that bunch that can be an all-star. i really didn't notice how well he has been playing lately. he'll be a good shotblocker. all he needs is an outside shot and he's an all-star.zaza is not that good. he's just putting up big numbers because he's on a losing team. he's got descent numbers but i think he'll be getting less touches once josh smith develops.joe johnson is a really good player. he's an idiot for coming to atlanta tho. he only came here for the money. he could've been competing for a ring in phoenix.salim stoudemire is a good shooter but he's inconsistent and his attitude isn't very good. he's related to damon and he kind of plays like him.out of all these players the only really good ones are smith and joe johnson.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Apr 19 2006, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Marvin Williams > Jackie Butler2. Josh Smith > David Lee3. Salim Stoudamire 4. Josh Childress > Qyntel Woods5. Joe Johnson > Nate Robinson6. Zaur Pachulia = Channing Frye5. Eddy Curry is overrated and I cant compare him to Salim since they play totally different positions..Hes not giving reasons, because there is NO reasoning to support his statements..hes being a biased <Censored> about this..and hes ATTEMPTING to prove that the Knicks have more potential so he can bragg about it..</div>eddy curry is overrated i'll give you that. i'm not being biased it's what i believe. just like you're saying what you believe. only time will tell who's right.
I truly believe the Knicks have NO star potential whatsoever.Frye will be a 18/9 NBA player in his prime..Nate will be a Earl Boykins
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Apr 19 2006, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, way to point out every possible negative for the Hawks and every positive for the Knicks. </div>how did i do that? i said who was good and who wasn't. josh smith and joe johnson are the best out of that group. out of the knicks jamal crawford and frye. everyone else is going to be good role players, same for the hawks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Apr 19 2006, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, way to point out every possible negative for the Hawks and every positive for the Knicks. </div>hahayeah...nykfan you said everything I said, except you added a negative comment to the end of each of your statements. Joe is not a complete idiot. I think he wanted to be his own player and create his own team basically. Hes doing that. Zaza is good, hes got solid moves, hes a GREAT offensive rebounder, and hes got a passion for the game few players have. Josh will be an all-star, quote me. Childress will be a solid 17/8/4 player in his career. he might be an all-star once, when he peaks his potential. But overal he'll be better than anyone the knicks have. Marvin will be a star, every game this month hes shown us what hes made of, and what he can do. He has the skills to be a great player already, once he peaks his potential I believe he can be a 24/10 player..<Censored> that.And take some time to watch the Hawks tonight against the Heat, last game of the year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Apr 19 2006, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I truly believe the Knicks have NO star potential whatsoever.Frye will be a 18/9 NBA player in his prime..Nate will be a Earl Boykins</div>18 and 9 isn't bad. rasheed wallace made the all-star team averaging 15 and 7. in his prime he averaged 19 and 8. that is just a bad argument. since when is earl boykins bad? he's getting 12ppg and he's 5'5". nate is only a rookie. a 5'7" rookie and he is getting 9ppg.
Nate's getting 9 ppg on a sad team. Larry Brown almost sent him down to the NBDL, that says something about Nate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Apr 19 2006, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>hahayeah...nykfan you said everything I said, except you added a negative comment to the end of each of your statements. Joe is not a complete idiot. I think he wanted to be his own player and create his own team basically. Hes doing that. Zaza is good, hes got solid moves, hes a GREAT offensive rebounder, and hes got a passion for the game few players have. Josh will be an all-star, quote me. Childress will be a solid 17/8/4 player in his career. he might be an all-star once, when he peaks his potential. But overal he'll be better than anyone the knicks have. Marvin will be a star, every game this month hes shown us what hes made of, and what he can do. He has the skills to be a great player already, once he peaks his potential I believe he can be a 24/10 player..<Censored> that.And take some time to watch the Hawks tonight against the Heat, last game of the year.</div>yea i said josh smith was an all-star. i'll quote you on that because i agree with you. i think joe johnson is a really good player too. i'm not taking anything away from him. i just think the goal as a player is to win a ring. he's a great three point shooter and a proven scorer. he can also play some defense too. marvin definitely has star potential but i think he should've stayed in school a year longer. childress is versatile but i don't see him being an all-star ever but he'll be a good teammate and good role player and that's not a bad thing.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Apr 19 2006, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nate's getting 9 ppg on a sad team. Larry Brown almost sent him down to the NBDL, that says something about Nate.</div>yea i rememeber that. nate has a childish side. once brown said that though nate did change.
The Hawks have much better prospects. NYKnicksFan is just really biased. He'd rather have Frye, Lee and Robinson than Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson who can average 20ppg.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Apr 19 2006, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Hawks have much better prospects. NYKnicksFan is just really biased. He'd rather have Frye, Lee and Robinson than Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson who can average 20ppg.</div>you got that right. lee and nate are my favs. i just love that lee isn't selfish and he rebounds like a mad man and his hustle is something the knicks lack. nate i like because of the way he is instant energy. yea he may just be an earl boykins but that's not a bad thing. you gotta have heart to be in the league at that height.
