B-Roy unhappy? (MERGED)

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  1. PapaG

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    Re: Jason Quick stirs the shit again

    Well, let's list the other elite SGs/SFs who are similar to Roy in usage rate.

    Bryant - Fisher basically plays this role.
    Wade - Chalmers basically plays this role.
    James - Mo Williams basically plays this role.

    All 3 of these players are in the Top 5 right now in usage rate. Roy is 19th, for whatever that's worth.


    It seems to me that the biggest problem is that Blake, who was in the Fisher/Chalmers/Williams role, can't defend as well as the others on the list. :dunno:
     
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    Diving deeper, Wade, James, and Bryant were 1-2-3 last year in usage rate. Roy ended up 14th.

    I have to assume that any poster calling Roy, or Roy's game, selfish doesn't know what they are talking about.

    Usage Pct

    1. Dwyane Wade-MIA 36.2
    2. LeBron James-CLE 33.8
    3. Kobe Bryant-LAL 32.2
    4. Tony Parker-SAS 31.7
    5. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 31.5
    6. Dirk Nowitzki-DAL 30.3
    7. Danny Granger-IND 29.6
    8. Charlie Villanueva-MIL 28.5
    9. Tim Duncan-SAS 28.5
    10. Devin Harris-NJN 28.4
    11. Kevin Durant-OKC 28.3
    12. Michael Beasley-MIA 27.7
    13. Chris Paul-NOH 27.5
    14. Brandon Roy-POR 27.4
    15. Richard Hamilton-DET 27.0
    16. Chris Bosh-TOR 26.9
    17. Vince Carter-NJN 26.8
    18. Joe Johnson-ATL 26.6
    19. David West-NOH 26.5
    20. Yao Ming-HOU 26.2

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009_leaders.html
     
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    According to Canzano, a frustrated Brandon Roy met with KP last week to discuss his role.

    Awesome.
     
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    KP panicked and bought Miller's sales job in Vegas. I posted at the time that I'd rather have the cap space for the trade deadline. That said, the team has to make it work. There is no other option at this point. Miller has attributes that can help this team, but he needs to adjust his game as well and start creating shots for the scorers on the team.
     
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    I stand corrected. I don't see Lewis as an All-NBA type player, however, nor has he been on an All-NBA team. He's a role player IMO. Plus, Orlando hasn't won a title with the 6'10 Lewis playing "out of position". Plus, he hasn't been an All-Star playing out of position.
     
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    Last week? So likely before the three-guard lineup? Well then...worries aired and hopefully resolved. Things seemed to go pretty well the last two games, and Roy seemed cheerful enough laughing on the bench.
     
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    So Canzano and Quick are in agreement? Well that settles it.
     
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    How's Miller supposed to create shots for others when you seemingly don't want the ball in his hands to create those shots. He was brought in to help the team. Not to do 1 thing and 1 thing only. He can help us by creating shots for others. He can also help us by getting easy baskets when they may be needed. And by getting to the free throw line. All of those things help a basketball team, and they are, and will, help our team.
    I don't see panick at all on KPs part. My belief is he was planning to attempt to sign and trade for Miller, while signing another player as well, but those signing options fell through, so he went with a simple signing of Miller straight up.
     
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    Wrong again.
     
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    I never said that. I said that Roy should be playing SG alongside Miller, not SF. :dunno:
     
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    17.7 ppg and 5.6 rpg from the PF spot. I guess that's an All-Star these days. :lol:

    Still have yet to see the Magic win a title.
     
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    And we haven't won one with Roy at SG. What's your point?
     
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    That playing him out of position with Steve Blake at SG isn't going to win a title?
     
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    How do you know playing him at SG is? You think Lewis as PF doesn't work because they haven't won a title. We haven't won a playoff series with Roy at SG. By that same logic, that will also fail, since it hasn't happened yet.
     
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    You're right. I give up.

    Play Roy at PF for all I care. Hell, just trade his ass so you all can have somebody new to fawn over.

    Since I can't predict the future, but I was able to see the results of what Rasta posted, clearly that means the Blazers will win a title with Roy at SF.
     
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    Blake is a much superior ball handler and passer to Webster. He's a better help defender. Although both guys suck at defending small quick guys, Blake seems better suited to it in the three guard lineup, since he seems better at channeling players toward help. Blake is also a much better three point shooter historically, and even this year. He also seems much more mentally tough.

    Don't get me wrong--I think Webster is the better player. He's vastly more athletic, long, capable of defending opposing SF's, finishing in traffic, etc.

    But I just disagree that Webster does everything as well as Blake. It's just not so.
     
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    Agreed with everything except Webster being a better player. He SHOULD be a better player. He's a more unique physical specimen. But he's just not the basketball player Blake is.

    (Which is not to say Blake is great.)

    Here's the solution to the whole deal: Roy ISN'T playing out of position! Our star SG is still a shooting guard. BLAKE is playing out of position. He's clearly playing SF. But who cares, right? He's a scrub, and it's a way to get use out of him. It's Matt Bonner playing C. Sure, Roy will help out by guarding better SFs for him, but he'd have to do that on switches once in a while.

    Problem solved.
     

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