Blazers Have A Ploy To Give Brandon Roy The Ball More

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  1. Paxil

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    While Roy is fantastically efficient in isolation, he can be even more efficient in the set offense. He hasn't seemed all that interested in being part of the normal offense though... sometimes it is all him or nothing. That is an adjustment that he needs to make. He can create off set plays too. He can shot off a screen.

    Remember when Jordan had huge games and the Bull's lost? He'd score 50 and they would lose. It was if as he did more to keep the game tight... the team did worse.

    I am fine with them isolating Roy at times... but I hope it doesn't lead to everyone standing around watching.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I don't get why so many people think he's not participating in this offense. I may be taking crazy pills, but I see him moving without the ball these last 5 games. Also, he's lowered his point total, but his rebounding, FG% and assists have gone up. Personally, I think Roy is playing much smarter basketball and our team is benefiting from it.
     
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    I'm just giving you grief MM.

    I know you really think Phoenix and Loyola Marymount are slow teams that bore you after the first 30 seconds of play.

    Last year we also won quite a few games. And don't give me the BS about us being ousted in the first round. It was the first playoff series for most of these guys and a controlled offense was a much better way to go...at that time. I'm not saying they shouldn't speed it up to take advantage of things like LMAs running skills, but it would be equally ridiculous for me to say they shouldn't run ISO plays to take advantage of Roy's advantage over just about anyone.
     
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    You're taking crazy pills. Please stop and/or pass them around.

    It's great and all that there is team distribution except that:

    A) You're going to need a go-to guy. I'm not convinced that people even think after a few games that's Roy anymore. It's like we're mixing it up for the sake of mixing it up.
    B) If you deflate Roy to second tier status then you lose your superstar, your instant foul, and possibly disengage your moral leader. I don't think that's a good thing.

    Is there room for adjustment on Roy's part? Sure. But I think simply saying he needs to accept things, move without the ball and be happy with under 10 pts a night is shooting the team in the foot in the long run. He HAS to be a threat for the triumvirate of death to work.
     
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    I guess I finally found the thread I wanted to post my Roy's new role on. Anyways, I doubt Nate is wanting to use him less, which I explained in another thread. I think the team using him to be that 4th quarter player is exactly what we need. Having him coast for the first 2 quarters, start heating up in the 3rd, then taking over the 4th are what players like Kobe and Wade were doing when they had Shaq.

    Fact is, if you can establish a low post game, and score easier, the defense has to adjust to that. Once they adjust to that, then you bring in "Roy ball" to completely deflate them.
     
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    The way I see it, this is just an additional play set that will be thrown in from time to time to disrupt defenses keying on stopping the pick and rolls that Brandon has relied upon. I don't see that mixing things up will do anything but improve scoring options for both Roy and other players.

    It will be interesting to see how the team uses this tonight.
     
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    Anyone notice the mention in there of the 50 or so plays that Nate has and calls? I thought we only had 3, according to some in here.
     
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    Magnifier661 it isn't that he isn't participating... it is that I expect that as our best player he would be a tad more aggressive. He looks like Batum out there sometimes... passing the ball when wide open etc... except that Batum at least look ready to do something... sometimes Roy has been flat-footed.

    I know his numbers are fine, but if anyone is not giving 100% Roy preached about in preseason... it is him.

    We saw clearly in previous seasons that Roy would coast at times and then try to take things over in the 4th quarter... and in some games a win was out of reach by then. I think there is a nice in-between that he can find... and I am sure he will.
     
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    That seems crazy... I can't remember what couch said it this year but one said he only calls about 3 plays from the bench all game. I have seen times when we have the advantage and stop to call a play... not as many as in years past... but pressing and advantage will always be more efficient.
     
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    I think it has been already. I would much rather have a Roy that isn't forcing the issue, as much as one allowing the game come to him. When the team is struggling to score, I've already seen Nate call upon Roy to score for the team, or at least run the offense.
     
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    But couldn't you also start Roy on fire in the 1st and put them away?
     
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    My opinion is Roy isn't like that. He seems to be more of the player that uses the first two quarters to get to know what the defense is throwing at him and turns it on in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

    I think Oden is more of that player that will smash you in the first. Kinda like Shaq in L.A. comes out and gets your totally deflated, then once you finally are able to somewhat contain him, Kobe kills you.
     
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    No.

    Nothing Roy has done or said supports this.

    The only thing that does is the bullshit being spouted by the radio losers on The Game.

    Oh, and Jason Quick.

    Do you really believe even half the crap those idiots write or say?
     

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