Getting rid of Miller will be hard

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  1. LOTBfan

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    could be worse, your wife could be watching house hunters
     
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    Well, at least we answered the hypothesis posed in this thread.

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    the hypothesis was boring.
     
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    Touche'

    Ed O. should ban me again.
     
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    Miller should be less dominating of the ball, not just with Roy. We don't play with a super PG who is the engine of the team blah blah, we play a 5 player offense, that's our forte. The sad thing about Miller is he's not able to shoot or defend thus making his only forte being a dominating PG which we don't need. At least with the Joel/Dante backup front-line he could be our top post-up player.
     
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    I doubt it, if only because in their system EVERYONE (except Howard and Gortat) has to shoot a ton of threes. Besides, Nelson has ALREADY gone down, and they're doing surprisingly well with White Chocolate.

    If there was a market for PGs like Andre, there would've been at least SOME interest in Sergio. But I guess you really do need to know how to shoot in today's NBA. Hell, even Jason Kidd is canning threes these days.
     
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    I don't get with the "dominating" comment. He doesn't overdribble - he moves the ball very well and usually pretty quickly. Yes, he's in charge when he's on the floor, but unless you have a team that runs the triangle or the Princeton Offense, and have had the same group for a while, that tends to be true of your PG.
     
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    In the last game, I felt he was doing a better job of getting rid of the ball. Blake, for example, is one of 5, he can pass, dribble, sometimes penetrate and most of all shoot the 3, you don't feel like it's Blake's team when he's our PG, you feel he's 1/5th. Miller plays with more of an ego, it's two more seconds before he passes the ball to start the offense, it's the several times he takes it upon himself to create when he shouldn't (like passing inside to Oden and turning the ball over when if he would move the ball on the perimeter there would be a better passing chance). The thing about our offense is that everyone, other than maybe the Centers, pass and pass well, Miller is hurting us when he's trying to turn the team to 1-passer/4-scorers instead of 5-passers/5-scorers.
    He IS a smart player though. He's good at getting open near the basket when Greg is double-teamed and he's good in penetrating, going to the line and playing post-up. He needs to work on his outside shot, IMO, cause most of his offense is based on having the ball in his hands for many seconds, but even with that liability he could help us, he just needs to play more of a TEAM offense instead of relying too much upon himself.
     
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    I think we could trade him for a SF/PF combo. A back-up. Yeah it sucks to take a player to Miller's caliber to a SF/PF back up, but that's our biggest need right now. It could be a possible starter at SF, but I would love a combo.
     
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    Just keep him as our backup PG for now, and move him only if he got upset. I think he will be just fine. Lat year, though having another creator in the first unit woul dhave been nice, a big issue for us wasa the inconsistency of our bench. I always thought part of the problem was that unit being lead by a very young PG in Sergio who got limited minutes. Having a vet PG off the bench will benefit that unit, and make us a tougher team to beat. There will be no lapse in our play, when teams will normally look to make a run on us.
     
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    There is only one unfilled spot on this team's dynasty roster, and that is the spot Miller is in right now, PG.

    So unless "some potential playoff team" wanted to trade a better, younger PG for Miller, we're just throwing good players after bad.

    That would be even more disastrous than keeping Miller on the bench, or in the locker room.

    Vets are poison to a draft-built team.
     
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    Do you really think that we need a PG to go all the way? Personally, I would rather have the team concentrate mainly on the development of Oden, while Roy does his thing. That duo, if Oden could average 20-12, with Roy getting 24/5/5, while Aldridge gets 18/8 would be a terror all by itself.

    If I see further use of Oden, possible that the distraction of Miller has cause Nate to focus on that more than the offensive development of Oden, it could possibly hurt us.
     
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    I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think Miller has an idea of what his passes are for. Blake for the most part passes to get rid of the ball when there's no option to shoot it. Ever heard of using your dribble to create a passing lane. Blake offers no finishing ability and even less ability to dish off the dribble. You do realize that Miller is a true PG and that is why he handles the ball more often with the dribble. It his job to create opportunities for assists. He does this by handling the ball. Blake does not dribble the ball with any intent to distribute it for an easy score. He usually dribbles to create spacing in the hopes that he can kick it out along the perimeter for someone else to create for themselves. He is just an awful passing PG with everything said. I don't think you quite understand the role a PG is supposed to play.
     
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    I don't know how a point-guard is supposed to play but I think he's supposed to make his team better. I don't know if you've seen my +/- thread but Blake is number 1 on the team in +/-, Miller's +/- numbers are also positive.
    I'm not saying Miller isn't a good player and potentially, he's good for our team but only if he learns to play within the offense. See what happens with New-Orleans, no-one is doubting that Chris Paul is a great, pure Point-Guard, a great scorer (unlike Miller) and at least as good a passer. But this year, his numbers have been amazing and the team was losing, he got hurt against Portland and the players that used to stand around and watch or wait for the open shot are winning games.

    Say what you want about Blake, he's never bigger than the offense. The Lakers won several championships with Derek Fisher, Boston won the championship when Rajon Rondo was their biggest question mark, the year after that he was a superstar and they barely escaped the first round. Who was the Point-Guard on the Heat?

    I'm not saying a good PG isn't a good thing, I'm not even saying Andre Miller isn't a good thing but when you start seeing too many shots the defense is forcing him to take and miss, when you realize that his scoring is most effective when he's isolated in the post, when you understand that a team of, say, Blake, Rudy, Roy and bigs gives you great passers in 3 positions and a team of Miller gives you an even better passer but distrupts the status-quo, you understand Miller's got to adjust. We shouldn't rely on anyone dominating the offense, not Roy (like in last year's playoffs), not Miller, not anyone, we need to play as a team on both ends of the court if we're to have a chance.
     
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    Rajon Rondo injured Kevin Garnett? Link?
     
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    It was far and away the worst move KP has made as a GM.

    I don't have any idea why he made the deal. It seemed like a stretch at the time and has really become a horror story.

    In all fairness, all of the players KP went after in the off season were head scratchers.
     

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