Wow... Dwight Jaynes kills Roy..and Roy deserves it

God forbid another Mixum seeing everything black thread...

This is fun, we can do this all day!

 

What a big bunch of trying to make something out of nothing. Miller isn't playing in the starting rotation for one simple reason: he isn't now and has never been a guy who could consistantly knock down a perimeter jumper. Roy is the team's star and to pretend otherwise is stupid. You maximize your star's strengths by playing him with guys who work with those strengths. Blake, when he's not in a slump, has been that guy all of last season and is starting to return to form for this season. Miller is a fast break, penetrate and dish or draw the foul kind of a PG (although he's certainly looked slow this year probably because of the ankle sprains, but maybe due to age) who would reduce Brandon to a spot up jump shooter. On the other hand, Miller fits very well with the running strength of the second unit.

There's a reason that KP went first for Hedo: his ability to shoot from the perimeter fits with Brandon's game.

 

Not only posted basically the same thing, but we posted it at the exact same minute.

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2179401&postcount=7

 

Oh I see, so Blake playing down the stretch while Rudy sits on the bench makes sense now.....



and I am not one to agree with Mixum, but the "Roy homers" have completely lost touch with reality.....

 

I am not a Roy Homer as much as a person that totally embraced what he's done for this franchise. I have criticized him a lot so far this season, but never to a point like some in here comparing him to Kobe and his ass-nine bitching to fans on the street.

Fact is, Roy can say what's on his mind because he earned it. What the coaching staff decides to do with it is their decision. And if any of you are fine with Roy being traded, leads me to believe you would rather have role players run this team, while you give a choke hold to the stars.

What we should really complain about is the 7 shots a game Oden is getting. That is the travesty.

 

On a serious note I don't think he wanted Hedo either, or at least wasn't very interested in the idea.

 

Rudy has been playing 30 MPG on average since Travis went down.
Blake and Miller have been playing around 32 MPG on average in this time.

I have no problem with Rudy playing more, but if you actually look at game scores during this period - it is Rudy, Blake and Miller in this order.

Maybe we need to play Miller less?

 

the hypocrisy here is stunning

STOMP

 

Well, get ready for that number to DECREASE. Andre Miller is the one player on this team that actually gets the ball to Greg Oden in the low post - and now he's been demoted and all the fingers are pointing at HIM as the source of all the Blazers problems.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Dwight Jaynes (but I said it last week, too before his column came out). The problem with the 3 guard line-up is NOT Andre Miller - it's forcing Brandon Roy (and Steve Blake) to play out of position. We have yet to see if Roy and Miller can co-exist as a starting backcourt. The big assumption is they can't - I'd like to see that assumption validated (or disproven) by letting them actually start together for a few games and see how it works out.

If not, look for Greg to have a lot of games where he get's 4 - 5 FGA per game - mostly off putbacks, because if there is one thing that HAS been proven, last season and this one so far, it's that neither Blake nor Roy can/will feed Oden the ball in the low post.

BNM

 

Isn't this great though? Because it's obvious Oden needs to the ball more and the pressure is on Roy and Nate to do this. If Oden is truly going to have reduced touches, then they are wrong and it's on them, not anyone else. So if Roy wants things "Status Quo" then he better take it on himself to make sure Oden gets it.

 

If we want lineups that work to the various players strengths, we should be starting Joel (to play with Roy/LMA and who doesn't need many/any touches) and have Oden playing with Miller & Rudy on the second unit (which would probably be much more fun to watch).

Gramps...

 

Just looking at Oden's game log real quick.

In the 5 games before the 3 guard lineup, Oden didn't attempt more than 6 shots in any game.

In the 9 games with the 3 guard lineup, Oden attempted 8 or more shots in 7 of the 9 games.

Hmm

One good thing is Oden attempted 9 shots last game so maybe the whole team is looking for him more. We'll see how it goes tonight.

 

The numbers at 82games.com show that the most successful line-up with Oden is Blake/Roy/Webster/LMA/Oden - which just happens to be the current starting line-up.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09POR12.HTM

For the most recent look, Oden made 7 FGs against the T-Wolves on 9 FGAs. Steve Blake assisted on 4 of these, Brandon Roy on 2, and Juwan Howard on the other. Andre Miller, in a full quarter of PT with Oden, assisted on zero.

 

I think we'd be lucky to get Eddy Curry for Roy. Man, MIXUM was right all along.

 

and who is to blame for that I wonder? I mean the only two guys who I see CONSISTENTLY look to set up Oden in the post are Rudy & Miller, I am not convinced that Blake even knows he is on the team...

Maybe Nate should move Oden back to the 2nd unit, so for 20 minutes a game we can capitalize on the synergy of that group.....

Hasn't that wish already been granted? Maybe Blake as well? Ya think?

 

THIS! Nice one. I love posters that can pull this shit up fast. Thanks brother.

 

Over the last 5 games, Blake and Miller played the same amount of minutes - but Blake produced more. If we are going to give some guard minutes to Rudy (which is not something I am opposed to, if his body can handle more than 30MPG per night) - seems silly to me to take the guy that produced more (Blake) and cut his minutes in favor of the guy that plays the same MPG (32) and produced less.

 

Really?

Blake 36% FG% Miller 44%

Blake 10.6 pts\g Miller 11.4

Blake 34.4 minutes\g Miller 28.2

Blake 5.8 assists\g Miller 4.6

Blake 3.0 rebounds\g Miller 3.2

Blake 2.0 turnovers\g Miller 2.8

Blake .2 steals\g Miller .6

Blake 8 FT\5g Miller 26

 

Here I was, trying to get your thoughts on a good Roy deal, and you get hostile. That isn't the rational, balanced MIXUM I know.

Let's try this again: Whom do you think Pritchard should trade Roy for? Please keep it realistic, don't try to grab other teams' best players. I want a reasonable possibility.