Future pro bowlers? Good starters? Bench playerS? Out of the league in 3-5 years? Stafford is a gun slinger with one hell of an arm. He's had his ups and downs this year but has shown the ability to be a leader and has shown he's tough. His receivers have dropped a shit load of balls, too. I think as he learns to read NFL D's better, his interceptions will come down and his TD's will rise. I think this kid has a future in the league if he can stay healthy. Sanchez, I don't know. I don't see him being an elite level QB, but I can see him being a good one. He started his career nice, but has come down to that rookie level. I think his adjustment period is going to be longer than Stafford's because of his lack of college ball. Its too early to tell on him.
Joey Stafford! LOL for real, I think Matt is going to be a great leader for the Lions, and if he can stay healthy he will be better then Sanchez and Freeman.
Like I said people need to relax with these rookie Quarterbacks. Even your boy Quinn finally broke out last week, let's give them three or so years to figure this game out.
Quinn was playing the Lions, lol. Just like Stafford was playing the Browns. But still, I've seen more from Stafford this year than I've seen from Quinn in his time. Jerome Bettis wrote an article for SI.com relating Stafford's rookie year struggles to Peyton Manning's. I don't think Stafford is as smart as Peyton, but I still think with his arm and abilities, he can be a damn good QB.
That's true those teams are terrible defensively, but hey at least they have something to build on. I've seen a little more from Stafford this season, I'll agree. Quinn was freaking awful against the Ravens, even in garbage time. He finally looked like an NFL player and I was starting to worry about him. Generally I'd give these guys at least 2 seasons to figure it out, some might need 4 like Brees.
I definitely think Stafford still needs to prove a lot, but from the limited sample, I think he can be talented. He just needs protection and for his WR's to not drop very catchable balls. A lot of his interceptions will turn into balls thrown away or throws not even made as he learns the defenses better. I think the Lions' finally have a few solid pieces to build on. Exciting for them.
I initially thought Sanchez would have the better career. Early on I thought he was showing poise beyond his years and was looking like he'd be a frontrunner for ROY. He hasn't just fallen off since then, he's plummeted off the side of the cliff and is milliseconds away from splatter on the ground. He has been mostly awful over the past few weeks. He's been a TO machine, ala Jake Delhomme early in the year. He's making poor decisions and has just looked bad. Stafford really impressed me this weekend. The 5 TDs were nice, as was the 400some yards, but what impressed me most were the guts he showed at the end of the game. To come back out there and throw a TD pass with a separated shoulder, albeit his left, was flat out impressive. It showed some great leadership qualities and some incredible toughness that a lot of QBs wouldn't show. His decision making has also improved as he's going through his reads and progressions much better now than at the beginning of the season. I really like his potential, I just hope he doesn't become a Jay Cutler pt. 2; a guy that has so much confidence in his arm that he doesn't bother looking for a secondary read or dumping it off, always trying to jam it in to an impossible space and forcing the issue and making a TO.
I've seen Stafford make more dump off passes in 11 weeks than I've seen Cutler make in the time he's been in the league.
Not to turn the tide again but...thats not even the worst part of Jay Cutler's game. He shows no leadership qualities, and bags on his receivers for HIS mistakes. He's just a flat out prima donna. Ive always liked Stafford more with his monster arm, but i'd like to see him grow as a leader, first and foremost.
Yes. Thank you for seeing the shit about Gay Cuddler that I've known for 2+ years now :] I know you guys are sick of my shit talking on Gay, but it is so awesome to see it finally being put out there while Rivers is finally getting the love that he deserves.
Well, for one we needa damn runningback. Unfortunateably, there isnt a RB this year that'll change our fortunes . But I think i'm up for giving Quinn one more year and then pulling the plug if he cant make the reads. I still think we gotta work on our D, but that isnt what you asked . Our offense will still be bad for another year or two, but with a good pickup for backup QB (Sam Bradford, if I had a choice), and a great young D (if we draft Eric Berry), I can see this team being competitive in 2 or 3 years. Hopefully we get another WR to parallel Brian Robiskie for a decent future. I'd like to us make a bid for Leon Washington. But other than possibly getting Sam Bradford late in the draft (and thats a big IF), I just dont see this offense being anything outside of below average for at least another year. It's a painful situation to watch. God, I wish I were a Detroit Lions fan right about now.
I've always agreed with you. That was one thing I always forewarned my friend Brian (a Bears fan) about. He was stoked that they finally got their "franchise quarterback", but I told him when they got him that he's got too much confidence in his arm and a poor attitude. The poor attitude showed itself on his trade demands and the overconfidence has shown plenty this year. He also, as noted, doesn't go through his reads enough. Cutler has all the ability in the world, he's just a moron.
Yea, my friend doesn't even bother to watch anymore. I was watching the end of the game Sunday night and told him he should probably tune in to watch their final drive. His response was: "Why would I do that when I know what's going to happen. Cutler is going to throw a pick, game over." Low and behold, look what happened, a Cutler INT.
He reminds me a lot of Jamarcus Russel. He's got a cannon for an arm, decent mobility, but makes bad decisions too frequently. I love his upside, and he could end up being a a very good QB (maybe the best between him, Staff, and Sanchez), but he's got A LOT of work to do.
I don't want to sound racist or nothing, but it seems like black QB's usually don't pan out. Again, if all these players live up to their potential, I don't see any of them being better than Stafford. Dude reminds me a little bit of Favre.
I don't think it's racist considering the how much evidence there is to support it. Mike Vick never matured in to a good QB, Russell has been a bust, Tarvaris Jackson will never be anything, Josh Johnson, etc., etc. The only black QB that's done much of anything in today's NFL, at least in terms of being a passer, is Donovan McNabb, and he's made tremendous strides to become a complete QB throughout his career.
I think it's wayyy too early to be talking about long-term career prospects. QB's need to make so many adjustments and develop in so many ways before they become a "final product" that it's really difficult to just assume they'll handle all upcoming challenges like they do with one set. Take someone like Matt Ryan, for example, who had one of the best season by rookie QB ever but looks like he's regressed or at least stalled a bit in his 2nd year. Looking back, it'd have been impossible to have predicted the latter just by evaluating the former. Even a guy like Eli Manning hammers home the point. He showed glimpses of what he could be for his first 4 years, but no one could have predicted his 5th and 6th year from his first 4. I see the tools and personality to become an elite QB in both Stafford and Sanchez. Both have had their peaks and valleys this season, giving us a glimpse at their best and worst-case scenarios, as well as everything in between. I think we'll just have to wait and see. Just to make this point stronger, Mamba remember how high you were on Matt Leinart early during his first full year as a starter?
