VC. Far better jumpshooter, very good in post, great slasher, better passer. Carmelo is a better postup player and better cluth player, and neither are great on D.
VC. They are both known for scoring. Vince scores more so he wins.lol no man, there's more to it. Vince is a great attacker when he wants to, Id say he is the better shooter. Just the slightly better offensive player. Plus, Carmelo gets over-hyped for his "Clutch shots" even though he has not been what truly defines clutch this year, and that is playing well in the playoffs, when it really counts.
Both play no defence, so discard that.VC is a much better passer. Although he's been as selfish as a 1st grader in the playoffs, he is historically far more unselfish. He averaged more or close to as many points this year as Carmelo Anthony if I'm not mistaken... In an equall opportunity offense. However Carmelo is a better rebounder and finisher. Also better clutch player.I say Carmelo
Carmelo is selfish. I watched him play in both games this playoffs and he refused to pass when there was under 2 minutes left even though he had been cold that whole quarter.Also I think his clutch ability is magnified when he made a few shots under clutch. It's not being clutch when you throw up bricks and when you are no where come playoff time.
Yo CB you do know that we are somparing Vince to Carmelo here?Vince isn't anything special in the playoffs either bud.
CB4, you have to realize that the best player on the team is going to be taking those shots. Him being cold is irrelevant. Plus, he's developed a rep of being cluthc, he has to take those shots.
I still can't get over the fact you actually used Carmelo's clutchness against him. Vince is arguably worse in the clutch som playoff time, and is far worse in the clutch in the past 4 years. Come on now, think before you post
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Apr 26 2006, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>VC. They are both known for scoring. Vince scores more so he wins.lol no man, there's more to it. Vince is a great attacker when he wants to, Id say he is the better shooter. Just the slightly better offensive player. Plus, Carmelo gets over-hyped for his "Clutch shots" even though he has not been what truly defines clutch this year, and that is playing well in the playoffs, when it really counts.</div>ha, dude Carmelo scores more than Vince. Carmelo is better. He takes smarter shots, he has a MUCH better mid range game, he can take it to the basket just as well as Vince (the flashy dunks are VERY deceiving). You can't judge Carmelo's performance this year in the playoffs. He's played two games, and he has quinton ross, cuttino mobley, and corey magette guarding him, plus a very good team defense to sag on his drives. Half the time vince is being guarded by Peja, Stephen Jackson, Danny Granger on him. Granger is a good defender, but Peja is horrible on that end. And the first game, Vince played horrible. he was what, like 12 for 33? that's horrendous. He was the reason they lost game 1.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Apr 26 2006, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CB4, you have to realize that the best player on the team is going to be taking those shots. Him being cold is irrelevant. Plus, he's developed a rep of being cluthc, he has to take those shots.</div>It is definately relevant. If you are cold the whole quarter, you are less likely to make that last shot. There were a whole lot of others who were open and he never shared the ball with them, that made it easy for the Clippers to double team him when he was taking the shots, making it even less-likely for him to make the shot.Are you saying that the best players should NEVER pass the ball down the stretch?Edit: sorry that was a bonehead mistake, I didnt bother to check the ppg totals before I posted. I assumed, my bad.I guess you guys are right about this. My mind is changed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Apr 26 2006, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ha, dude Carmelo scores more than Vince. Carmelo is better. He takes smarter shots, he has a MUCH better mid range game, he can take it to the basket just as well as Vince (the flashy dunks are VERY deceiving). You can't judge Carmelo's performance this year in the playoffs. He's played two games, and he has quinton ross, cuttino mobley, and corey magette guarding him, plus a very good team defense to sag on his drives. Half the time vince is being guarded by Peja, Stephen Jackson, Danny Granger on him. Granger is a good defender, but Peja is horrible on that end. And the first game, Vince played horrible. he was what, like 12 for 33? that's horrendous. He was the reason they lost game 1.</div>VC this season- 24PPG, 6RPG, 4.5APG on 43% shooting. Melo this season- 27PPG, 5RPG, 2.5APG on 48% shootingLike the Kobe vs Wade topic, while Melo is more efficient, VC is FAR, FAR, F-A-R more dangerous as a scorer. He, like Kobe, T-Mac, Pierce, etc... can score 30 points in a quarter and end up with 60 on you. he can take over games with scoring. Mlo....not quite. His career high is 45 points, which tells me he just isn't that type of scorer. VC ha sa much wider repoiter of moves. he is a far better 3 point shooter, better midrange game, and taking it to the basket they are even. VC sometimes goes too flashy or doesn't get a foul called and misses easy shots (which is a big reason for not so good FG %, along with sometimes jacking up too many 3's), but he is for the most part a fantastic finisher. Melo is a better postup player, but he doesn't get double teamed like VC does. Also, VC has to share with 3 other main players for scoring load on Nets, Melo has no other real scorers on his team.VC was 12-20 for 33 points, 5 assists and 5 rebounds against Pacers in game 2. Kobe once went 9-33, and like 12-38 in a playoff game vs the Spurs, Bron was like 9-25 with 10 TO's in his game 2.....bottom line VC had a bad game 1. They lsot game 1 because the refs called a terrible foul on Krstic, and Lawrence Frank refused to call plays for other players, knowing very well VC was cold. Bottom line is VC is better dynamic scorer, better passer, better rebounder, better steal guy (1.5SPG to 1.1SPG), better blcoker (1BPG to .5BPG), and a better dribbler/playmaker, while being more efficient (2.5 TO's to Melo's 2.7).
The way I see it, Vince undoubtedly has more skill. He has a better three point jumpshot, and is better at creating his own jump shot. However, Carmelo is a better 20 foot midrange shooter - in. Carmelo is also a better finisher at the rim, as Vince is very inconsistent and tries too much. Carmelo also has a better post up game.And Vince Carter isn't a crazy scorer anymore. Yes he does get some big games, like his 51 point outburst earlier this year, but he is equally as inconsistent. Vince has had many games where he barely breaks the 20 poin margin as well. For the most part, he is inconsistent. Melo is much more consistent, and although can't be counted on for random 35 point games, he can be counted on for 24-30 PPG.Over the past three productive seasons of their career, Carmelo has averaged 5.6 RPG to Vince's 5.6. Note that that doesn't include his garbage 04-05 season with the Raptors, so I'm going easy on him. Vince is also undoubtedly the better and more willing passer, no one is going to argue that.Carmelo is also undoubtedly the better crunch time player, as he has superioir late game percentages and more FG makes.So Carmelo doesn't have Vince's offensive arsenal, but is much much more efficient in what he does. Carmelo and Vince are equal rebounders, and Vince is a better passer. However, Carmelo has proven over his career to be much more clutch in late, and important games (Both these guys are undoubtedly as horrible in the playoffs, so let's not use that in a comparison cause they cancellout)So who's better? It's such a close call. Right now, the detrermining factor would be their performance in this years playoffs, and as of April 27th, Vince is winning
I would go with Carter. he doesnt choke as bad as Anthony does, plus he is more explosive to the hoop.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Apr 27 2006, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And Vince Carter isn't a crazy scorer anymore. Yes he does get some big games, like his 51 point outburst earlier this year, but he is equally as inconsistent. Vince has had many games where he barely breaks the 20 poin margin as well. For the most part, he is inconsistent. Melo is much more consistent, and although can't be counted on for random 35 point games, he can be counted on for 24-30 PPG.</div>He is inconsistent because he has 2 other 20PPG scorers in RJ and Krstic, and a 15PPG guy in Kidd. When they get hot, his points go down. And I disagree with him not being a crazy scorer.....after he was traded last year he averaged 27PPG, consistently getting 30 point games (I believe broke a franchise record) and led team to playoffs. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So Carmelo doesn't have Vince's offensive arsenal, but is much much more efficient in what he does.</div>Aren't you the same guy who says Kobe is soooooooooooooo much better than Dwyane Wade? And unlike Carmelo, Wade is the better passer and overall player than his counterpart. All melo has on VC is more efficient at scoring.And don't use last 3 years in this arguement. As Melo's PPG have went up, his overall play has declined, which includes rebounding.Once again, VC is the better overall player, and like Kobe, T-Mac and other superstar swingman, he may not be too efficient, but he is extremely dangerous and can go off for 30 points in a quarter. Melo will never have that kind of ability if he doesn't possess it yet.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He is inconsistent because he has 2 other 20PPG scorers in RJ and Krstic, and a 15PPG guy in Kidd. When they get hot, his points go down. And I disagree with him not being a crazy scorer.....after he was traded last year he averaged 27PPG, consistently getting 30 point games (I believe broke a franchise record) and led team to playoffs.</div> Again, VC is their first option. They run their offence through Vince Carter. He is the one that gets the shots, which is credited to his 19 shot attempts per game to RJs 13. Just because he has other players around him doesn't give him ane xcuse for inconsistency<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Aren't you the same guy who says Kobe is soooooooooooooo much better than Dwyane Wade? And unlike Carmelo, Wade is the better passer and overall player than his counterpart. All melo has on VC is more efficient at scoring.</div>I said Kobe is so much better than Wade because he is much more skilled in terms of offense, and can be a much better defender. Plus he's accomplished more historically, and has done everything Wade has done.. but better. In this situation, yes Vince has more overall skill, I gave him credit for that. However, I also noted some things that make up for it<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Once again, VC is the better overall player, and like Kobe, T-Mac and other superstar swingman, he may not be too efficient, but he is extremely dangerous and can go off for 30 points in a quarter. Melo will never have that kind of ability if he doesn't possess it yet.</div>Yes, Vince has went off for 30 points in a quarter many times :no3:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Apr 27 2006, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Again, VC is their first option. They run their offence through Vince Carter. He is the one that gets the shots, which is credited to his 19 shot attempts per game to RJs 13. Just because he has other players around him doesn't give him ane xcuse for inconsistency</div>Yes, he is their first option, but when someone else is hot, they get most of the touches that game. Sometimes it is Nenad, sometimes it is RJ. Melo doesn't need to worry about that, and is always the main scorer, game in and game out. VC was that in Toronto, and averaged 27PPG one year.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I said Kobe is so much better than Wade because he is much more skilled in terms of offense, and can be a much better defender. Plus he's accomplished more historically, and has done everything Wade has done.. but better. In this situation, yes Vince has more overall skill, I gave him credit for that. However, I also noted some things that make up for it</div>Wade is a better passer, much better playmaker, andmore efficient scorer....but that is a different convo. In this convo, VC has done more historically, has proven that when he turns up D he can actually be a good defender (see the March game where he owned Kobe), and has proven he can score as well as any other swingman in the league. Except for clutchness (which Melo has a SLIGHT advantage in), and more efficient as a scorer because he doesn't face double teams, Melo has NOTHING on VC.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, Vince has went off for 30 points in a quarter many times :no3:</div>Don't know if this was sarcastic, but I said ABILITY to get that many points in a qaurter. I have seen on MANY occasions him get around 25 points in one quarter, and over 30 in a half (saw it in person against Miami, too). Melo can't explode and score like VC can.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, he is their first option, but when someone else is hot, they get most of the touches that game. Sometimes it is Nenad, sometimes it is RJ. Melo doesn't need to worry about that, and is always the main scorer, game in and game out. VC was that in Toronto, and averaged 27PPG one year.</div>Wait, so I can't use Carmelo's previous rebounding statistics in my argument, but you can bring up VC's scoring from 5 years ago in your argument? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>VC has done more historically, has proven that when he turns up D he can actually be a good defender (see the March game where he owned Kobe), and has proven he can score as well as any other swingman in the league. Except for clutchness (which Melo has a SLIGHT advantage in), and more efficient as a scorer because he doesn't face double teams, Melo has NOTHING on VC.</div>I lived in Canada and saw 70+ Raptors games per year from 2001-2005. Vince Carter played solid defence once every.... Well... Let's just say it wasn't pretty. Yes Vince can be a good defender, but so can anyone. He simply chooses to only do it once in a while, and that is being kind. Carter is a horrible defender. Example? Vince Carter guarded Anthony Johnson more than half the time when the Nets played the Pacers during the regular season, and AJ averaged 7+ more points against Carter than he normally averages. Carter and Anthony are equally as horrible defenders, and just cause Carter can turn it on once every 25 games doesn't mean it's a valid point in an argument.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Don't know if this was sarcastic, but I said ABILITY to get that many points in a qaurter. I have seen on MANY occasions him get around 25 points in one quarter, and over 30 in a half (saw it in person against Miami, too). Melo can't explode and score like VC can.</div>It was sarcastic And like I said, I agree. Melo can't go off for 20+ point quarters, but at the same time, he can be counted on for consistent 24-30 Point efforts. Since according to you I am allowed to bring up past VC accomplishments, even when VC was a Raptor, he was inconsistent. In the 2003-2004 season, Vince opened up the Season with a 39 and 32 point effort, before scoring only 18 and 20 the next week. He has always been inconsistent, whether it be with NJ or TorontoP.S. You were at that game? Must have been awesome
Both are scoring players and not much of a contributer at the defensive end. Carters better scoring and post play wins this.
Anthony chokes?Thats funny because I remember Carmelo leading the league in game winning shot percentage. He is far from a choker. VC this season- 24PPG, 43% shooting.Melo this season- 27PPG, 48% shootingMelo is obviosuly the more efficient and better offensive player. Who should he pass the ball to? The best way for a shooter to shake off the rust is to keep shooting.Melo has been cold the entire 4th quarter before and still hit the game winning shot. Actually that happen three times this season. He was cold the entire 4th quarter then stepped up and hit the game winner.The only player that can knock down a jump shot with consistancy on Denver is Earl Boykins. Boykins was even more cold than Melo was so I understand why he took that shot. Carter also takes more shots per game than Carmelo does. Again,VC this season- 24PPG, 43% shooting.Melo this season- 27PPG, 48% shootingVC is NOT the better scorer. He takes more shots and shoots a lower FG%.
