Sherman Alexie on Greg Oden

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  1. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    What a load of crap.

    I don't need the pain of Oden's injury to remind me that I love basketball. I knew that already.
     
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    Interesting perspective. I guess if we lost out Blazers we might feel that way too.

    A lot of people writing that Oden is done . . .
     
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    I think it's insane to state he's "likely done as an everyday player for good". Oden is 21 and this injury is a freak one, but seemingly not THAT serious.

    Oden will be back.

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    Oden's injury is the equivalent of a broken bone. It isn't career ending and shouldn't be career altering. After a season of healing that is.
     
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    It's not nearly as severe as his MF but this isn't just a broken bone.

    This is the second (non-contact) major injury he's suffered and has been constantly injured since he graduated HS.

    Does anyone remember how McDyess used to be before he broke his patella? He went from Amare Stoudemire to Kevin Love when he finally healed up and 100% healthy.

    He'll be back and I hope he comes back stronger than McDyess did.
     
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    McDyess ruptured his patella tendon I believe. Oden did not. HUGE difference, and great news for us.

    edit - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_McDyess

    Indeed he did.
     
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    Denial isnt just a river in Egypt.

    Oden will not be an MVP-caliber player. EVER. The sooner people realize this, the better it gets for GO in Portland once he recovers from this latest injury. Can he be a dominant rebounder? YES. Can he be a dominant defender? YES. Can he be a 28 ppg scorer? NO EFFING WAY.

    Lower expectations = a more realistic fanbase in terms of GO.
     
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    He can certainly average close to 20. He was averaging 15.6 in his last 7 games, averaging only like 25min a game.

    Make no mistake about it. Oden, if he stays healthy, will be a dominant force in this league.
     
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    Who is saying they expect him to average 28 points?
     
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    :dunno:

    Good question.
     
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    The people who expected the offense to run through him, and who thought GO was a Shaq-like player. Now that he is injured, I expect the "experts" here to distance themselves from this take.

    If you didn't think it, why are you responding? Some posters here thought GO was the person to run the offense through, ala Shaq.
     
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    The offense could run through Oden without him averaging 28 ppg. Simple fact, when Oden gets the ball in decent position, the defense collapses and someone is open. He doesn't have to attempt a shot or move with the ball. Just his presence in the post creates problems for a defense.
     
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    That was the part that REALLY pissed me off. You are not a doctor, Mr. Alexie.

    And having read a story in the New Yorker about his father dying, I'm starting to think he thinks he's Hamlet.
     
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    But don't you remember how Jordan broke a bone in his second year and was never the same again?
     
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    Fez, McDyess ruptured his patella tendon. GO did no such thing. He just broke the patella. If you've ever broken a bone, you know it grows back stronger than it was before. Tendon injuries on the flip side rob you of a step or your jumping ability.

    Edit: RoyToy beat me to it.
     
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    I don't recall ANY single poster saying that GO should have the offense run through him and he should average 28 ppg. Not one. I could be wrong, but I don't recall a single poster saying it. We have Roy and Aldridge. I've seen a lot of people saying we should run P&Rs with him and he should average 16 points, but nothing like you're describing.

    Hold me to this statement: Next season GO will be 100% and back to the player he was before the fracture. Just like his wrist is 100%, so shall his patella be.
     
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    This. Repped.
     
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    MVP caliber player does not equal top scorer in the league.

    Ben Wallace was considered an MVP canidate and I don't think he averaged more then 10 points a game that year.

    I am record as saying I think Oden will be the second coming of Nate Thurmond. He averaged 15pts and 15 rebounds per game. They didn't track blocks back then so no one can be sure but he was considered a great defender.

    Oh yeah, he is also in the Hall of Fame.

    If Oden averaged 15/15 and 3 blocks on a championship team I would say he could be an MVP canidate.


    I do think he should get the ball in the post more for the same reasons other folks have said. He gets double teamed and has proven to be a willing passer. He gets to the line more then anyone on the team not named Roy. How could that possibly be bad?

    It couldn't. Though it is pretty awesome that you waited 2 whole days to shit on Oden. Well done.

    Feel free to stop watching the Blazers any time you like.
     
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    I'm confused from all the doom-and-gloomers saying he'd done.

    When was the last time someone said "Oh no! Oden's broken wrist still hasn't healed!! The only thing he does that resembles Shaq is shot-put free throws at a 45% clip!" When was the last time anyone brought up the broken wrist affecting his play at all? Or Roy's "talus bone" issue? Or saw how much Webster's foot injury affected his athleticism?

    Yes, the injury sucks. Yes, someone needs to help Greg figure out how to take care of his body. Yes, I'm more bummed out about this season now, though I'm sure a winning streak would help.

    Our team regressed a bit Saturday night. Whether that's b/c of the PapaG/Fez-style opinion that he's probably done as a "pillar" of the team (whether offensively, defensively or reliability-wise) or my belief that it's just another year (or two) that our team won't be taught and practice how to utilize best a potentially dominant big man, I no longer feel the optimism about my win or playoff predictions. And that makes me sad.

    To me, it seems that there's not a lot of hope for the immediate (10 month) future. Unless we can recycle the non-Roy/LMA/Oden players into something Gasol-like, I'm having a hard time thinking we'll make it out of the first round, and a hard time thinking we'll be bad enough to get a difference-maker in the draft.
     
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