AP sources: Dems reach deal to drop gov't-run plan

Healthcare comes down to simple supply and demand. If demand goes up and supply stays the same, you either have to ration or costs go up. Let's see how many doctors continue to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients when they lose the private insurance reimbursements of people 55-65.

 

The Republican Party is close to assuring most Americans will be completely without healthcare in the near future.

A large portion of the Democratic Party will be replaced with new faces next election.

Greed reigns supreme.

 

Huh? Where do you get this stuff? "Most Americans" have healthcare insurance right now, and that's not going to change. Not to mention the fact that quite a few Democrats are opposed to the public option.

 

Agree with you 100%. His troops have deserted him. They turned tail and ran.

Without a public option, which he ran on and got my vote by doing so, all this noise by the Dems is a joke. They refused to back their leader due to cowardice, graft, and lack of spine, and don't even have the stones to be honest about that. When the smoke clears and elections come around, many of them will discover they have doomed their political careers as Democrats. They won last time because Obama won last time. I will be voting against any and all candidates who did not support a public option.

There is not a single change being suggested by anyone which will have any positive effect on the healthcare-witholding disgrace in our country.

Nothing else can stem the rising tide and healthcare will be available only to the elite (who can afford to be swindled) and the destitute (who your taxes will pay for).

Middle-class families and young singles will be left high and dry until it bankrupts them. Then they will be destitute and get it free from your taxes.

 

I said healthcare, not insurance.

Healthcare insurance is why some people can't afford actual healthcare.

$500+ a month doesn't leave much money to pay for healthcare, and the bulk of policies have deductibles of $5,000-$10,000. After that they still only pay a percentage of some costs such as 50% for chemotherapy and don't cover many common treatments and drugs.

The stratospheric cost of healthcare in the US puts it out of reach for many Americans even if they have insurance.

Nearly half of Americans now do not own a home nor do they have more than a couple thousand in the bank. Whether they have insurance or not, they could not afford to get actual treatment for anything expensive in the long run like chemo, which could cost them $40,000 out of pocket easily and is only provided on a "pay in full in advance" plan. You cannot tell them "bill me" and start treatment.

Massive insurance industry profits are the main cause of the inflated cost of healthcare in the US. In countries with a public option, cost is reasonable, and usually simply part of your taxes like schools and roadwork. You get cancer, break a leg, have a rash, need a triple-bypass...it's all the same. You go get it taken care of, you don't lose your home or car, it's what makes sense and it's what's right.

I can't understand why anybody would disagree.

 

Is there anywhere on earth that doesn't have a private health care option?

Even if we had single payer like Canada and the UK they STILL have private doctors that you can see. I know as my one time English fiancee was seeing private doctors to help with an IVF procedure where she was the egg donor.

 

The Republicans didn't blow it and neither are the Dems they are both "winning" for their represented voters. By voters I mean campaign contributors of any substantial size. Both parties work for the same team(s). Big business, Big Pharma, Big Insurance and most of all Big international banks.

To blow it means someone failed at their task. They didn't fail, as their task was to trick the poor and middle class once again into giving them manufactured support (controlled primaries weed out real change makers like Ron Paul and Denis Kucinich) to their real agenda, further enriching the power elite.

Mission Accomplished.

 

I hope you're right about single payer being stealthed in. Fortunately for you, I can assure you this won't happen. English people care about their fellow English, Same with Germans, French and Canadians. Americans have proven that they will slit eachothers throats for a percentage and throw children to the wolves (the attempt to kill the Childrens Health Plan [CHP] in the last year of W's regime).

I see virtually no chance of that happening. Us getting taxed as THOUGH we were paying for a Single Payer plan and then some. That seems highly likely. We will have maximum cost and minimum benefit. The Middle Class will be broken once and for all and we will see greater and greater gulf between the elites and everyone else. Welcome to the Banana Republic of the USA.