An integrated short term and long term plan

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  1. RR7

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    Can't imagine what it would take to get him. I would asume they would need to part with a bad contract, which would likely mean having to take Maggette back.
     
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    Blake, Webster, Mills and Pendergraph for Randolph and Maggette works. Saves GS a bunch of money. Gives us an odd looking rotation, however.

    Miller/Bayless
    Roy/Bayless
    Maggette/Cunningham
    Aldridge/Randolph
    Przybilla/Randolph

    Means lots of minutes for Roy and miller. Maggette can play some 2 for stretches, but overall, the rotation would probably not work well.
     
  3. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Maggette on this roster wouldn't work at all IMO. Talk about clogging the lane with 4 players who are at their best driving the lane (Roy, Dre, Jerryd, Corey) The only way having all of those players on the same roster and getting it to work would be to install a princeton-like offense, and I'm not sure LMA is a good enough passer out of the post to make it work (although he does have the shooting range required of a princeton big man).
     
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    Likely so, I'm just thinking, going forward, he could take Outlaw's slot. He plays roughly the same amout of minutes, and plays PF in GS as well, so could easily play PF in a small ball lineup here. Can do the same positioning with him, the main difference being when outlaw would take the 20 footer, Maggette would likely penetrate instead. I know it wouldn't be an ideal fit. Just looking at what it might actually take to get him here. And, thinking mroe long term. If we're looking at a struggle this season, adding a player like Randolph would be a great addition. Maggette would be an overpriced backup SF/PF, for sure, but could be worth the price of adding Randolph to the team. And though he has a large salary, I don't think the overall effect on our salary structure would be as negative as it initially appears. Losing Miles off the books after this season drops our salary to roughly 59.5 next season. IF Joel opts out, it's down at 52. Exchanging about 11 of Maggette and Randolph for Webster's close to 5 brings it back up to about 56. Figure in using our MLE on one or two players, and we could look at a salary of roughly 60-62 million next season, which isn't too high, and still well below LT levels. Season after, Miller would likely be gone,making it easy enough to absorb his deal.

    Going into next season with
    Miller/Bayless
    Roy/Rudy
    Batum/Maggette/Randolph
    Aldridge/Randolph
    Oden/MLE signing/Randolph

    We'd have a similar issue as we had the beginning of this season, with too many players, but as we've seen, depth is a good thing. That and, we'd have many options for a consolidation trade, with Rudy, Claver, Koppo, Freeland, Pendergraph, Mills, etc. available.
     
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    He's apparently on the block.

    There is a flex-four for ya....
     
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    From an article this summer. I can't find the link but here's the quote I got from their message board:

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    Mike Rice talked about this on Chalk Talk today. Basically his take is that Randolph is really inconsistent and he thinks Dante can be a solid NBA player so it wouldn't be a great fit.
     
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    If we were worried about people being inconsistent, maybe we wouldn't have offered an extension to Webster, adn would have traded Outlaw by now. That and Cunningham being on the roster seem like two terrible excuses to not take a look at the guy. Not saying we have a deal that could get him, just that that logic is bad, IMO.
     
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    I would love to get him somehow. He would be awesome on our team.
     
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    Randolph > Cunningham.

    Rice is such a homer.
     
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    Randolphs biggest problem right now is his coach. Last night on NBATV they were laughing about Don Nelson and how he was for stretches of the game, going with Magette at center with 4 guards. Brent Barry and Eric Snow were literally holding their gut because they were laughing so hard.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Perhaps so, but it's no guarantee that playing for Nate would cure whatever ails him. He IS very inconsistent.
     
  13. Chuck Taylor

    Chuck Taylor BATUUUM SHAKKA LAKKA!

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    I would argue that a huge reason for his lack of consistency would be his erratic coach and his substitutions...which would surely change if, er....nevermind. Seriously though, he is young and will get more consistent as he matures, and Nelson is maybe the only coach in the league with more lineup changes than Nate.

    Consistent or not, his PER is 18.27 which is higher than notable 4's such as Amare Stoudemire and our very own Lamarcus Aldridge. And he is only 20 years old!!! I'd be able to swallow an off night here and there to get him.

    edit: minor typo
     
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    Magette would be AWESOME. We should get him right before our Lakers homegame. Outfit him with spiked metal knee braces and aim him at Kobe. We deserve to have a knee cap buster on our team that bust's OTHER teams kneecaps. If LA went down in flames this year and never recovered ever, that would ALMOST make up for Portland going down in flames. If we can get Corey "the machette" Magette you make that deal yesterday...assuming the same MMA rules that applied last year apply this year if not all bets our off.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I guess I'm more about players that would make us better versus guys that would the Lakers worse.
     
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    This. Don Nelson is insane. He should be starting and playing 35+ minutes.
     
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    I'm not saying he didn't grow a little bit, but it seems nearly every single young draftee is hyped as having undergone a late growth spurt. Facts being what they are, very very few guys grow after the age of 18 and those that do typically don't grow much. If he were to spring up an inch, he'd basically be the same size as LA which is 6'10

    I'd love to see him on Portland, but these deals being posting seem like pipe dreams in the Cheech and Chong variety. The local Bay Area talk show hosts seem to think they would want back a quality veteran 4.

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    I thought last year during deadline time I read that Suns were about to trade Amare to the Warriors, but they wanted a deal with Randolph in return and Mullin didn't want to give up Randolph.

    He's another finesse player with a soft game. We need toughness on this team. Another guy trying to find his groove in this league is the last type of player we should be going after.
     
  19. Chuck Taylor

    Chuck Taylor BATUUUM SHAKKA LAKKA!

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    He gets an awful lot of rebounds and blocks per minute for a soft guy. I think that we need to go after someone young, because our timetable has been pushed back by injuries.
     

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