Boos Hurt Maggette

He doesn't even know why he's getting booed. That's the funny part. He doesn't know that fans get upset when time and time again he settles for the jumper when it is not his strength. The ball hadn't touched anyone else's hands and he goes for the weakest part of his game. That's just selfish and stupid. I understand he's trying to keep defenses honest, but if that shot has a 30% chance of going in (or no chance), he's got to play team basketball to make it easier for himself to score! It's great when he goes inside with the ball, but he doesn't pass it out very well if there's no play there. It totally makes him a blackhole on offense and completely easy to contain when clogging the middle.

He should ask the coaches why the fans boo. Maybe they'll give him a clue. Or I'll give him a hint why we boo.

Al Harrington got booed for wanting to be traded and for being a primadonna. Fans also didn't like the fact he was a poor rebounder for his size and was pretty selfish on offense. He was no Antoine Walker or Antwan Jamison, tweener SF's that Don Nelson could manage. Rather than fix his game and do the things we needed game-in and game-out, he blames the coach. Here's a clue, Harrington, in Don Nelson's small lineups, you have to play bigger than your natural position (if that exists in Harrington's case).

Fans also don't like it when players want more money than the talent or impact they bring. Antwan Jamison got booed for thinking he's worth the max... which wasn't necessarily righteous on the fans part because who was the idiot that offered that much?... Baron got booed for wanting certain money despite not having the best track record of being in shape and injury-free (he came off as greedy for wanting to be paid what an 80 game player would make)... Sjax got booed for changing his mind about the Warriors despite asking for and being given long term money. Dunleavy got booed for not being able to do the thing he was drafted for and then blaming the style of the team on why he couldn't shoot an open, catch n' shoot jump shot. Richardson and Murphy got booed for signing these huge contracts in the offseason and then they couldn't produce very well in the first few games after their agent pressured the Warriors management through the newspapers to re-sign them more quickly. Dampier got booed for dropping passes, then arguing for more money despite only playing well in contract years and then blaming lack of touches, injuries, and not having a true point guard and shooting guard on his career game play. Foyle got booed for playing clumsy basketball and being way overpaid for the skills he has. It's not Foyle's fault, but the idiots who re-signed him.

We boo because we're frustrated that the Warriors are all about the blind leading the blind. Owner's suck, so therefore the guys he brings on suck, which in turn bring in more guys that suck, and it just trickles down from there... And I suck for putting myself through this punishment every season believing there's still some hope. There is actually hope, but not as long as Cohan and Rowell are running the show.

In conclusion, stop crying Maggette because as long as there's an absence of hope in Oakland, stop settling for that god awful jumper. You will get booed for missing 9 times out of 40.

 

^^^i'm giving you a standing ovation

 

How many years has he played, how many times has he been in the playoffs?

It's the management's fault as well. We are talking about the same dumbasses that gave Adonal Foyle 8 million and traded Marco Belinelli for Devean George.

Maggette is an idiot if he doesn't know why the fans are booing him. If he doesn't know, he should not be playing basketball because he does not understand the game. When you shoot 20 percent from beyond the arc, you don't attempt three of them per game. When your best attribute it taking it to the rack, you don't throw up random jump shots when you have the best shooter in the league (Anthony Morrow) in the corner open.

He is a turnover machine. I can't count how many times he's turned the ball over due to a travel or a charge right when he gets into the game. If you only look at stats, Maggette is a good player, but if you actually know about basketball and what it takes to win, you know he's garbage.

I don't even want to talk about defense, let's just say it's horrid.

Maggette may be a nice guy in the locker room and buy his teammates presents, but that does not translate to wins. If he does not know why people boo him, he needs to try another sport, probably rugby.

Until he proves that he is worth his contract lol, he'll be Corey Regrettee for four more painful years.

 

Maggette doesn't bother me as much as you guys because he's the sixth man which is a better role for him than as starter. He's strong and can score in bunches. Sure, I'd like to see him take better shots and pass the rock more, but his main strength is creating a shot for himself (preferably by going to the rim).

 

Yeah, but he gets 30+ minutes every game. Those minutes should be distributed to Randolph, especially with all the injuries. His going to the rim consists of crashing into his defender, shoulder first, completely hoping to get the foul call. That's not basketball. Hoisting up 21-ft jump shots because the man leaves you completely open is also not playing to your strengths.

If he just played to his strengths, yeah, I wouldn't mind so much, but he doesn't do it merely as much as his weaknesses being exposed.

If he wasn't paid so much, this would be less painful.

 

Maybe he will understand when he watches the "highlights" from last night. Its ridiculous, his defense that is. Just on Sportscenter there was one play where he lets Thaddeus Young go right to the hoop in the paint while for some reason Maggette leaves the paint! and goes right by Young as if Young does not have the ball. How about your "6th man" leading the team with 6 TOs, yet with his body, he gets 3 boards?

 

Maggette gets booed because he does the same lame-brain stuff this month that he was doing when he first got here. He shows flashes of trying to play differently, to make a change. But he's forcing it. It's like, when he actually passes the ball, he does it because he's trying real hard to "look" like a team player. It's not natural. And as soon as he loses focus, and his instincts kick in -- his natural style of play -- it's tunnel vision, brick-laying jumpers, pretend defense, and just about anything he can do to disrupt the flow -- of his own team. GS rolling, up by eight, CJ Watson on fire, Curry making great passes, Chris Hunter setting good picks, hustling on defense... in comes Maggette, and out goes the lead. It's not his fault. He's not doing it on purpose. It's the only thing he knows. His natural game is, frankly, poop IMO. Just try to score and completely ignore the bigger picture of what your team is doing.

He also seems real self-conscious. Like when he chews his gum, it's like a self-aware kind of chewing, like he knows the cameras are on him. His facial expressions with the referees seem contrived. His expressions of "anger" or "passion" seem a little void. He just seems to have real trouble ever getting to taste a bit of the zone -- the place where Kobe lives. It's like Maggette just can't get out of his own head, and into the game. Occasionally, he'll have a little spurt where he's hot, or rebound well, and on the surface it looks good. But it is always short-lived, because a spade is a spade, and eventually you can't hide from your own habits. Pay attention to Maggette's little habits -- the way he boxes out on free throws, the way he nonchalantly makes little one-handed passes, the way he pretends to set picks, the way he stands flatfooted while his teammates go for rebounds -- his little habits expose him. And they elicit boos.

 

Good observations, AO, and to extend that Maggette seems to be the poster boy of "unseen" incompetence. What I mean by that is bad things he does that don't show up on the stat sheet. Some players do all the little things, the dirty work, things like tipping out balls they can't quite get to to their teammates (teammate gets credit for the rebound), and so on. But Maggette's is the opposite, he's like the anti Kurt Rambis or something. You look at his stat line and a lot of nights it doesn't look that bad. I'm constantly amazed when I see he had 1 or 2 turnovers when I swear he had like 5 or 6. On the break, he'll make bad passes that get deflected or kicked. It's not a turnover, but it takes the Warriors out of a break situation and puts them in a halfcourt set, which is almost as bad. He'll take a shot himself when a better shooter is open (example: Maggette shoots an 18' 2-pointer when Morrow is standing open at the 3-point line, or Randolph is underneath the basket). He'll throw up an airball or hit the bottom of the rim because he's charging in assuming he'll get fouled, instead of trying to make the shot and letting the foul happen or not naturally. It's a missed shot for him, but really it should be a turnover because he never had a prayer of making it. We've all seen him just not pass the ball and dribble in place, killing offensive flow. He'll turn his back on a guy penetrating and let them walk in to score...again, this is not going to negatively affect his stats at all but it hurts the team.

 

Excellent points. It's his qualitative impact on the game, rather than the quantitative measurement on the stat sheet.

Shane Battier puts up half the numbers of Maggette, yet he is twice as valuable to the team (if not more so). Battier Just makes everyone on his team better, through defense, hustle, and excellent decision making. Maggette is like the anti-Battier.

And with the turnover thing, absolutely, even when he does something like fail to swing the ball quickly to the hot side of the court (where a play could be made). It's another missed opportunity for GS.

I think of it more like possessions: Maggette may not average 6-7 turnovers a game, but it seems like he usually costs the Warriors about 6-7 quality possessions per game, through poor shot selection, failed reads, inability to find the open man, blind one-on-three bull-dozing, and so on.

Also, at the defensive end, he turns over a lot of points there. He negates quality possessions by making stupid fouls (last night on Allen Iverson, where he couldn't decide whether to pretend to take a charge, or get out of the way, so Iverson dribbled up to him, bumped off him with his shoulder, and sank the easy 5' jumper for a 3 point play. It was like he used Maggette's life-less body to induce the easy foul).

The impact on quality possessions at the offensive end mixed with the easy turnover of points at the defensive end, those don't show up in Mag's stat-line. But they are as hurtful as turnovers.

 

And it's sooooo appropriate that Robert Rowell fed into this and gave him the contract that he has now. Or was it Mullin? Does it matter anymore?

 

I wouldn't be complaining about Maggette's minutes, but Radmanovic and Mikki Moore starting is ridiculous. They're the ones taking up Randolph's minutes. I can't stand those guys. Radman plays softer defense than Maggette. The only reason Randolph doesn't play is because of Nelson. I'd blame Smart, too, but maybe he would play it differently if he wasn't the temporary coach. I agree Mags is not a shooter, but he would not be hoisting it up if someone else was scoring from outside imho.

I don't think it was Mullin because he wanted Baron and Brand. He was set at SF with Jackson and Buike. It could have been Rowell, but I think it was Nelson. Why else would Nelson play Maggette so many minutes and at PF of all positions? I'm not picking on you Doctor Kajita, but I still think most of you guys are making Maggette the scapegoat. Maggette's not that bad if he would just play SF and not PF.

 

Don't worry, I'm a big boy and regardless of you picking on me or not, I won't take it personally

In any event, my point was it doesn't really matter who pursued and signed Maggette. But, I don't think it was Nelson, not because I like him (right now, I'm not so sure...) because it was Rowell's idiocy that allowed Baron to opt out of his final year which caused him to panic and signed Maggette.

I certainly am not pointing just to Maggette for all the problems, but he's part of the problem and is a reflection of the dysfunction. Also, this thread is about Maggette so I figured it was appropriate to comment on just him.

My main criticism of Maggette and the coaching staff is that he plays too much, plays out of position which results in poor individual and team play. It's just all bad.

 

Radmanovic plays harder defense and gets more rebounds than Maggette; oh yeah and he's not a black hole either. No way he's taking minutes from Randolph.

 

At this point, I don't think Mags is the problem. He's one of the leading scorers on this team and we need scoring. I hear what you guys are saying about Mags, but his positives outweigh his negatives (albeit his negs are big ones at times). Still, if we didn't rely so much on individual play, then we could play Mags less. I sound like a broken record, but the problem is we lost talent and didn't get enough talent in return. It's Nelson's fault because he's been involved in most of upheaval. Like I said, Nelson is a destroyer of teams and it happens even when he's not the one making trades. It's no wonder he wears out his welcome wherever he goes.

To change the subject, what about Anthony Morrow? He's been playing worse recently and he could end up on the bench. He's a guy who doesn't create his own shot, so he needs some plays set up for him. Then he's a better performer. It's not only Anthony Randolph who has been struggling. I don't get why these guys don't get the help, but guys like Radman and Moore just come in and end up as starters?

Radman is not that great. He should be coming off the bench and AR starting. At least, give Randolph more minutes over Radman. We need scoring in order to win. Not defense.