12 pounds would be a world of difference for Iverson. He needs to bench press more because that is where he is weak. He's got strong biceps but it is your body that is taking the contact when you attack the rim.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Apr 29 2006, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>12 pounds would be a world of difference for Iverson. He needs to bench press more because that is where he is weak. He's got strong biceps but it is your body that is taking the contact when you attack the rim.</div>I agree that he would benefit from hitting the weights a little more, but he has lifted during the offseason and it hasn't made much of a difference in his body frame.Again, can you please explain some things to me...You keep saying that Tony Parker is better able to take contact and finish around the rim... well, like KMart pointed out a long time ago, Allen Iverson had 20 more three-point play opportunities this season than Tony Parker did. Think about that for a second... you get a three-point play opportunity when you get fouled, and finish. That by itself shows that Iverson is atleast on the same level, if not better, than Parker is at finishing around the basket.Iverson is top 3-5 in this league in creating contact, drawing the foul, and finishing the play (excluding big men). There is absolutely no denying that. Parker is good, but not on the same level as Iverson in that aspect.And if you don't think that Iverson is able to take contact... well, then please explain to me how he's been able to survive in this league ten years throwing his body around.
And like I said already Iverson goes to the basket more since he has more shot attempts. Point totals or 3 point play totals don't interest me. It is the percentage at which Parker and Iverson finish around the rim at is what I'm interested. Iverson takes like twice the amount of shots as Parker altogether.
Stop ignoring the points, and please explain to me why Iverson has been able to survive in this league for ten years with his wreckless abandon if he isn't able to take contact and finish around the basket.If you seriously think that Iverson can't take contact and finish, regardless of what Parker does, then you seriously need to pass me what you're smoking.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Apr 29 2006, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>3. In case you have been living in the twilight zone, when Iverson's teammates are on, he looks to set them up. When he has players around him on the level of Duncan, Ginobili, etc., he doesn't look to score first. The hating on his "selfishness" is getting old. The guy averages 7 or 8 assists a night, and everybody comes up with excuses like "uh, well, he has the ball so much he should get that many!"And in case you didn't know, Iverson averages slightly more assists per 48 minutes than Parker does, so if you say he would take away touches from Timmy and Manu, then you have to also say Parker does the same, buddy.</div>Actually i am going to bring up how much Iverson has the ball in his hands. There is a difference in the way Parker gets his assists, and Iverson gets his assists. When Iverson comes down the court he holds the ball a majority of the time. Iverson might pass the ball once, but he expects to be given the ball back to him if that person he passes to doesn't shoot. There isn't a rythm to Iverson's offense, where he passes it off, and then everyone starts moving. There is a rythm to the offense Parker runs. Parker will come down, pass the ball to Duncan, Manu, Bowen, Finley, or someone like that and may not touch the ball the rest of the play because of the offense. It is also proven that Iverson can't play well with Duncan, just go back and look at the Olympics. I watched that olympics closely, and it seemed that every time Iverson was on the court the team was loosing. When he would leave the court, the U.S. would play better.As for having more three point plays, a major cause of that would be because he takes more shots than Parker because of how much more Iverson shoots than Parker. Not because he is such a better finisher at the basket than Parker. Parker doesn't drive as much because he has to run the offense also, and pass the ball around, unlike Iverson.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Apr 29 2006, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Actually i am going to bring up how much Iverson has the ball in his hands. There is a difference in the way Parker gets his assists, and Iverson gets his assists. When Iverson comes down the court he holds the ball a majority of the time. Iverson might pass the ball once, but he expects to be given the ball back to him if that person he passes to doesn't shoot. There isn't a rythm to Iverson's offense, where he passes it off, and then everyone starts moving. There is a rythm to the offense Parker runs. Parker will come down, pass the ball to Duncan, Manu, Bowen, Finley, or someone like that and may not touch the ball the rest of the play because of the offense.</div>I agree with that to an extent, because Iverson does indeed share the wealth. But if you look at the differences in the offensive sets of the two ballclubs, you have to take into account the different offensive philosophies of the two coaches. Maurice Cheeks really only focused on the two man game between Iverson and Webber. It was supposed to be that on plays that Iverson was not scoring, he would give the ball to Webber, then go stand in the corner and let Webber run the offense from the high post. However, Webber, despite publicly saying he wants to create instead of shoot, took the passes and did not look to distribute the ball from the high post. Instead, he wanted to score. If you watched the Sixers this season you'd see that there were a lot more offensive possessions where Iverson was not involved compared to the past.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It is also proven that Iverson can't play well with Duncan, just go back and look at the Olympics. I watched that olympics closely, and it seemed that every time Iverson was on the court the team was loosing. When he would leave the court, the U.S. would play better.</div>From what I saw, Iverson and Duncan's ability to play together wasn't the problem for the USA's disappointing play, it was the lack of outside shooting. It still amazes me how people can continue to single out Iverson as the downfall of that team when he clearly was the most proud representative of that team. The downfall of that team was it's horrible ability to shoot the ball from the outside. Duncan was being harrassed throughout the Olympics, and the different rules and the referees really didn't help him out or call the game the way he was accustomed to. He said it himself that that was why he played poorly in the Olympics, and that is why he never wants to play in the Olympics again.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>As for having more three point plays, a major cause of that would be because he takes more shots than Parker because of how much more Iverson shoots than Parker. Not because he is such a better finisher at the basket than Parker. Parker doesn't drive as much because he has to run the offense also, and pass the ball around, unlike Iverson.</div>First, let me just clarify one thing: I'm not trying to argue that Iverson is a better finisher than Parker. I'm simply trying to show mavsfan that his belief that Iverson is unable to take contact and finish around the basket is totally out of this world.Also, that bold statement in the quote above really doesn't make sense to me. Parker doesn't drive as much? Parker's offensive game is basically penetration, and not much more. He will shoot the mid-range jumper, but he isn't as efficient in that aspect as Iverson is, nor is he has efficient in that aspect as mavsfan seems to believe... and I have already provided the statistics to prove that.Now, if we are going to use the reasoning that Iverson shoots more than Parker, then let's apply that reasoning to the difference in the field goal percentage between the two players as well. Naturally, Parker will have the higher FG% because he shoots less, and defenses don't key on him as much as they key to stop Iverson.
I would agree with that if there was a 3% shooting difference between Parker and Iverson but 10%? I never said anything like Iverson can't finish but he is at a disadvantage since he isn't as strong as Parker. Parker has come a long way in the weight room compared to a few years ago. Parker runs the offense more means that he doesn't have the ball because he gives it to someone else so that means he isn't driving as much to the basket.EDIT: Iverson has played wreckless but he somehow has stayed healthy. I call it luck since he gets banged around a lot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Apr 29 2006, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, that bold statement in the quote above really doesn't make sense to me. Parker doesn't drive as much? Parker's offensive game is basically penetration, and not much more. He will shoot the mid-range jumper, but he isn't as efficient in that aspect as Iverson is, nor is he has efficient in that aspect as mavsfan seems to believe... and I have already provided the statistics to prove that.Now, if we are going to use the reasoning that Iverson shoots more than Parker, then let's apply that reasoning to the difference in the field goal percentage between the two players as well. Naturally, Parker will have the higher FG% because he shoots less, and defenses don't key on him as much as they key to stop Iverson.</div>Parker's offensive game is built around his driving ability, but it doesn't mean he drives more than Iverson. Iverson has the ball more, takes the ball in more, and has more freedom to do what he wants. Saying that just because someones offensive game is built around something, doesn't mean that they will do it as often as someone else. I will agree with you though, that could be another good reason why his shooting percentage is so much better than Iversons. Iverson takes alot shots, and so his shooting percentage should be lower than Parker's who doesn't take as many shots.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Apr 29 2006, 03:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would agree with that if there was a 3% shooting difference between Parker and Iverson but 10%? I never said anything like Iverson can't finish but he is at a disadvantage since he isn't as strong as Parker. Parker has come a long way in the weight room compared to a few years ago. Parker runs the offense more means that he doesn't have the ball because he gives it to someone else so that means he isn't driving as much to the basket.</div>I really don't know who is stronger between the two, but since Parker weighs 12 pounds more I'll give the nod to Parker in the strength department, but I don't think it is by much. Now, taking that into consideration, Iverson still isn't at as big a disadvantage as it seems you think he is... despite everything, the fact of the matter remains that Iverson is able to finish better than most players in the league around the basket, with or without contact. The three-point play attempts stat that has been brought (regardless of comparing it with Parker's) just shows how much Iverson can take contact and finish around the bucket, not to mention actually watching him play.Irrespective of that, Iverson still has the more versatile offensive arsenal, and it is more effective, but arguably not as "efficient."<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>EDIT: Iverson has played wreckless but he somehow has stayed healthy. I call it luck since he gets banged around a lot.</div>I could see luck playing a huge role in it if it was only a few years, but to have luck for ten years is ridiculous. His football background, his ability to create contact, his strength and his durability, among other things, all play a huge role in why he hasn't had many injury plagued seasons, and has been able to stay relatively healthy his entire career.A lot of people expected him to slow down these last two years, and to his credit he elevated his game to the highest it has ever been, and it doesn't look like he'll slow down anyime soon.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Apr 29 2006, 03:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>EDIT: Iverson has played wreckless but he somehow has stayed healthy. I call it luck since he gets banged around a lot.</div>I call it toughness.
