Assuming Toronto realizes that Bosh is headed out of town and decides to move him, how should the bulls approach that. Presumably, Toronto would want more talent than expiring deals, and on top of that would probably want to move Turkoglu as well since they wouldn't be in "win now" mode anymore. So something like this works, but would Toronto really go for that? I have to think they would want Noah in on that deal. And given that the bulls would then probably sign Bosh to an even bigger hometown max deal, does that make the bulls that much of a better team? Rose, Salmons, an old Turkoglu, Bosh and probably Omer Asik as the starting five? They bulls would need to get a backup 1,2,3, and 5. That's a lot of holes to fill and the bulls might have to throw in a pick. Is Noah a piece to keep or move? I want to think the bulls don't include Noah, but Bosh is an allstar and they might be too skinny to play next to each other. I'm also not entirely sure Toronto would want to start rebuilding around Deng (and I'm sure you don't think so...;-). So would the bulls even do this deal, or wait until the summer to try and sign him or somebody else?
I think it's because the Trade Machine is screwed up and the "save trade" feature doesn't work right now. Since I can't exactly see the trade, it's hard to comment but: Yeah, I can't imagine they wouldn't ask for Noah. I'd give him up for Bosh, but it obviously presents problems for how we rebuild too. I doubt they'd want to take Deng and his long-term deal to turn around, move Hedo, and still not be in "win now" mode. I think we'd have to hope they think Deng+Hedo can be a compatible set of forwards. But more likely I think the Raptors would want picks and expiring deals. Which, of course, would make it very difficult for us to rebuild around Bosh and Rose. So we'd sort of end up looking like a better version of the Raptors. I'm not bringing it up to pick a fight, but that'd be exactly the sort of situation that having Gordon here would help. With a Rose/Hinrich/Gordon/Deng/Bosh lineup, we'd have a all the major options covered: driving, shooting, inside scoring. We'd have 3 guys who can require a double-team from opponents. With Rose/Hinrich/Deng/Bosh and no cap space, we're better, but we still don't have the sort of synergy you get from combining several really good players with complementary talents.
I think I had Hinrich, Deng, JJ and TT for Bosh and the Turk. I agree that I don't really like what that leaves behind. Toronto may even want to through in Banks. If I am Toronto, I want at a minimum Noah, Gibson, Miller and Tyrus. With Deng that works out for the 3 Raptors. But I am pretty sure I don't do that trade unless I can move Turkoglu to somebody else almost immediately for some useful parts. Unless it is Miller, TT and maybe Gibson and/or JJ, I'm not sure I'd do a trade if they are dumping Turkoglu too.
Yea I dont think that Toronto would give us Bosh AND Turk, at least not without throwing in Noah and maybe Deng. But why would they be trading Turk so soon after just signing him this offseason?
I don't know, so little our our team makes sense for them. Deng? No. They've got Hedo. Tyrus? No. They've got Amir Johnson, who's basically a very similar player. Kirk? No. They've got a PG and a high paid combo guard. Salmons? No. He once backed out of a deal there because he decided he didn't even want to play in Toronto. Cap wise, even if we took back Hedo, they'd still have several pretty iffy players locked up on longer term deals. So I don't even know that unloading him helps very much. Basically, when I look at them, I don't know that they'd move Bosh even if he started publicly urinating on the Canadian flag. They've pinned everything on keeping him, spent massively, and have little to show for it. But since I don't see any way for them to bail themselves out, they'll probably hold tight and hope things get better.
Toronto will want to move him because he is 31 with a 5 year contract paying him 8 figures. He might be worth it for two more seasons, but more than half of that contract is going to be a ball and chain on anything they want to do. And without a better player for Turkoglu to play off of, he is going to be a waste of money.
Probably fanciful, especially since we'd be in luxury tax land, but: Deng, Noah, Tyrus, Pargo, Johnson, Hunter for Bosh, Hedo, Rasho, O'Bryant, Weems 1- Rose 36, Hinrich 12 2- Salmons 24, Hinrich 24 3- Hedo 36, Salmons 12, Wright 4- Bosh 36, Gibson 12 5- Miller 28, Rasho 20 Seems like a pretty reasonable lineup to me. We have to hope like hell that our old centers can hold the line, but it'd be reasonable for the next couple years. Also, we'd have Jerome James contract as, I guess, a trading chip. We could maybe flip him into another useful player for depth?
Salmons/Hinrich at the 2 is at best a bandaid, not a future, and Miller/Rasho is an even bigger pile of suck. Deng is a much better option at the 3 than Hedo. If Toronto wants to dump Hedo as well, they only get one of Deng, Noah or Gibson.
