Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz rail on it? really? You mean point out how people don't have respect for what a gun can do, and think of it as a toy? That's "railing" on it? I brought it up because HCP brought up how when he was in the military his drill sgts brought up a similar point that the teacher made. Guns (and various kinds of weapons, regardless of their originality) are real life. A lot of young people don't understand that. A lot of young people use weapons in a manner that they're not intended for. I really doubt that Arenas and whoever that other guy is, were really going to shoot each other. But they were pulling them out (if this is true) as though it was kind of a toy or "I'm a bigger man than you" bravado. If you own a gun, you should know you don't pull out a gun unless you plan on killing something. Doing it over a few bucks (in the grand scheme, it's a few bucks), shows these guys have no sense of reality or responsibility. talk to some kids these days. It might not be as clear cut as what I'm saying, but there is a disconnect between what they experience, and what would happen. I'm not saying they don't know that you can kill someone with a gun, but that they don't understand the responsibility of gun ownership or the respect guns deserve. That was kind of his point too. And kind of my point. Its not a video game, it's real life. Kids don't always see that, because they're still forming their brains. Some adults don't see that either. There's not always a lot of great depth in the thought process, and too many people get their education on guns from sources that are inadequate. His main point was that if you're going to point the gun at something, it should be because you intend to kill it. He used video games as a way to connect with kids, because kids play video games and that is a lot of their experiences with guns. I'm a huge proponent for gun education for those who own guns and those who don't. I think you reached really hard to turn this into an argument against video games being the root of gun issues, that I didn't make.
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz It is hard for me to believe that there isn't some sort of conduct clause in the cba that would let the Wizards waive both of these fools. Zero SHOULD have just screwed himself out of the best contract in the NBA with this move. You draw a gun on a coworker, and you keep your job?
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz I guess we now know the real reason why Arenas is called "Agent Zero". That's how much he pays on his gambling debts. Seriously, though, this is beyond stupid. I can't imagine Stern not suspending them for an historic number of games.
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz The NBA CBA is probably the most player friendly set of bylaws in all of professional sports. There are conduct clauses, that allow a team to suspend a player without pay, but there is absolutely no way they can void his contract and take his money off the cap. Depending on how this thing shakes out legally, their best bet is to probably try and work out some kind of buyout with him, but they're still stuck with his caphold barring something completely unprecedented. Look at Jamaal Tinsely and all of the trouble he got into with guns, and the Pacers were still stuck with his contract.
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz You mean you don't have this problem where you work? Happens to me all the time. That's why I don't gamble anymore. This is going to be interesting to watch how this plays out. So many variables. Are there going to be criminal charges? Jail time? Washington has some of the strictest firearms laws in the country (or so I've heard) With all our injuries, and our #1 Draft Choice (once in a generation Center) out again it's been easy to feel sorry for ourselves. KP always talks about culture, which sometimes sounds like psychobabble, but I'm sure glad we don't have stuff like this happen anymore. And we're not 10-20 with an $80 million payroll.
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz Don't you think this is different though Nik? Two teammates drawing guns on each other in the team's locker room? I do hate the contract structure of the NBA - it can just handicap you for years (as we saw with Darius Miles) How has the Player's Union been able to negotiate this when the NFL is all non-guaranteed? I've never understood that.
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz Basketball players matter more than football players. There are fewer of them, and there is more of a star system. The fans follow/worship individual players more. Thus basketball players have more power. barfo
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz I would say that this is far worse than what Ron Artest did in Detroit, and actually it is in some ways the worst locker room security issue perhaps in NBA history. Telfair was actually pretty bad as well, but in the end what did he get?
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz It is amazing if these guys can't be fired over this...wow... Telfair was self defense.
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz Meh. This is one of those stories I tend to discount by at least 75%.
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz I think if a player is convicted of a felony the contract can be voided. Tinsley was never convicted of a felony.
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz Yea since Gilbert is from "the hood"....Not all black guys "party in the hood"....jesus.
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz why do people reach for this stuff? YOU are the one that connected them being from the hood and being black. maybe, just maaaaaybe, he was talking about them pulling guns on each other, something that, truthfully, happens in the hood more often than the suburbs.
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz I remember waiting to get into a Duck's BB game back in the day and seeing Jason Gardner and Gilbert Arenas both grab their nutsacks in full display pointed to a bunch of men, women, and children. Shows you the class of someone like Arenas.
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz Yea I'm sure that assumption would have been made if Mike Miller would have been involved in the situation...I'm not reaching for anything...It's pretty obvious that was a dumb statement whether they were both black or not. I'm aware people pulling guns on each other happens more outside of the suburbs....Both of these guys are millionaires so I can't imagine either of them venture to the projects...Ever.
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz I wonder if Crittenton egged Arenas on by saying "Step back fifteen feet and see if you hit me then!"
Re: OT: Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad Boyz lol if mike miller pulls a gun on someone, he will probably get some hood/thug jokes thrown his way. its the act imo, not the skin color, BUT i have no idea of his thoughts, i seem to have unintentionally hijacked your displeasure. my bad.
