If the Knicks are the laughingstock, what does that make the Bulls?

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  1. bullshooter

    bullshooter Active Member

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    Rose definitely did not thrive next to BG. It was the worst backcourt pairing of the three. Both BG and Rose played better next to Hinrich.
     
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    Not true.

    BG and Rose frequently played 40 minutes in the same game, and Rose was good enough to win ROY and give us all hope we might have an all star for a change.

    BG 40+ 23 times.
    Rose 40+ 29 times.

    It's like 3/4th of the games both 37+ or 38+

    Gordon played 2999 minutes, Rose 3000.
     
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    Denny, we've been over this add nauseum, both had much better adjusted plus/minus next to Hinrich, and the team had a much better record with them playing with Hinrich. You're completely fos.
     
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    Hinrich had nothing to do with any of it. He dribbles the ball ad nauseum (to use your term) and is a poor shooter. The team had a much better record with them playing Miller and Salmons than playing Thabo, Noc, and (not playing) Gooden (who was hurt).

    Amazing what happens when you add another shooter/scorer (Salmons at his proper position) to the team.
     
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    For the record, Hinrich sat out a bunch of games last season, coming back on January 12th.

    From Jan 12 until March 9, two full months, and before the trade, the Bulls' record was 13-13.

    From March 9 on (after the trade), we went 12-7.
     
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    Denny, you're some kind of special. Hinrich got hurt in the 6th game. They were 13-18 without him. So they were a shitty team without him, but with BG. A mediocre team with all three, and a better team with Salmons. Still significantly better with him than without. And both Rose and BG played better next to Hinrich. Indisputable. I'm done.
     
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    And they're the same with him full time and Deng and without Gordon.

    14-18 before tonight's loss.

    And you said they'd be better. Indisputable.
     
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    I'm pretty sure I said Deng and an improved Rose would replace all of BG's scoring. Seems about right.

    And while I said the bulls would be better, at least they aren't worse. How dumb was your Pistons prediction, losers of 10 straight through tonight. Here's what $11 mil/year buys you:

    Bench Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts
    B. Gordon 32:11 4-11 0-4 1-2 +3 0 2 4 4 0 0 0 2 9

    But that's so much better than Hinrich....
     
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  9. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I liked the Pistons chances better than the Bulls', but that was before their three best players (and 3 better than anyone on our team but Rose) got hurt for 30 games each.


    The Bulls haven't replaced Gordon's scoring. The team is scoring 10 points less per game. Much of the increase by Deng and Rose seems to have come at the expense of Salmons.

    Aside from the 20+ PPG Gordon gave us, it was the late game shooting and scoring that clearly hasn't been replaced.

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1975996,CST-SPT-bull06.article

    ''We gotta make shots down the stretch; it's as simple as that,'' Bulls coach Vinny Del Negro said. ''We got some stops when we needed to, but we didn't make any open looks.

    ''That's how it goes sometimes.''

    Especially this season, now that the Bulls no longer have Ben Gordon to step up and lead them in the clutch. It's certainly one reason they are 3-12 on the road.

    ...

    The Bulls produced another stop, but this time Rose had a drive blocked and Hinrich missed an open 16-footer with about 25 seconds left. The Bulls had to foul but got the ball back with 23.2 seconds left. Salmons then was fouled while converting a drive and completed the three-point play to make it 109-108 with 18.1 seconds left.

    After two free throws by Stephen Jackson (25 points) with 17.5 seconds left, the Bulls had a chance to tie. Rose missed a three-pointer, but Hinrich tipped the ball out to Salmons, who was wide-open behind the arc.

    But, of course, the shot hit off the rim and dropped harmlessly to the court as time expired.
     
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    If the Pistons lost 3 guys for 30 games each, then the bulls lost 2 guys for 25 and Brad Miller can be declared legally dead....
     
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    The Bulls lost Aaron Gray a bunch of games to injury. You think his loss really hurt? If you realize his loss meant squat, then you might realize that a team's best 3 players injured really hurts the team's chances.

    The Bulls didn't miss any of the guys who were hurt because they just aren't good enough to make a difference.

    Maybe you should look at management again. They have 3 empty roster spots and at least 3 of the remaining 12 are questionable that they belong in the NBA.
     
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    I wasn't even counting Gray.
     
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  13. Denny Crane

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    May as well have, since you're fishing for excuses.
     
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    Denny, you're the only one making excuses. Who on the Pistons has missed 30 games? Prince is the only guy close to that number, and he's only missed 26 with tonights game. Are you talking about Rasheed? He plays for the Celtics now. And Billups is in Denver in case you didn't know that either. And the Pistons need both of those guys playing like it's 2004 to have any chance of being good. No matter who is hurt.
     
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    Rip missed 26 games.
    Prince missed 26 games.
    Gordon missed 11 games.
     
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    I like to object by saying the bulls did miss tyrus...
     
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  17. Denny Crane

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    Thomas is still a mixed bag, though, and is certainly not as good as Prince or Rip or Gordon.

    The Bulls missed his FTs and rebounds and blocked shots. They didn't miss the boneheaded plays, 42.6% shooting from the PF position, and > 3 TO/36 minutes.

    The Bulls missed anyone in their rotation, simply because the rest of the guys to step in are Pargo, Johnson, Gray, and Hunter. I'm not sure any of those 4 belong in the NBA these days (NBDL maybe). That leaves 8 reasonable players, since they only carry 12.

    Just to be clear, Pargo's PER is 6.8; Johnson's PER is 8.4, Gray's PER is 7.2, and Hunter's PER is a hefty -2.1 (yes negative 2.1). Thomas' PER is 15.5, and the average NBA player has a PER of 15.
     
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    Is it me, or did you just make an argument for the bulls missing Tyrus?
     
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  19. Denny Crane

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    The Bulls would have missed Salmons or Miller just as much.
     
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    Denny go to espn's front page and click on the bs report. Skip to minute ~53:30 and listen for the next five minutes. The five minutes before that are good too.
     
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