I vote for what will take less from me and the company I work for. Since I work for a large company in PDX with revenue over 600 million, that gets its revenue from small and medium sized businesses I will vote no. I do not want to have that tax passed onto the companies that we make money off of, nor do I want those companies to then raise the cost of a hot dog .30 cents or whatever number it would be to recoup the extra taxes they have to pay. Basically raising taxes will all come back to you and I paying more money for what we want (goods and services). If things become to expensive, then we stop buying and when we stop buying companies stop hiring or terminate employees. I like my job and I don't want to be in the Oregon unemployment line. So fuck raising taxes on businesses at this point in time, and on a side note, I would never give more money (then I am lawfully required)to the state and or schools so they can squander the fuck out of it. Those assholes are a leaky god damned faucet... one of the reasons why I avoided Multnomah county when I bought my house.
So you would move your business somewhere where it costs you money (i.e. sales tax) to sell each and every item? What argument do you think does merit a tax increase for corporations or high income earners? Might the fact that high income earners pay about 1/2 what they did earlier this century merit any consideration? Certainly government was smaller then. And as pointed out in another post, the increase towards corporations is fairly insignificant and for S-corps and joint ownership it is capped fairly low. Single proprietors aren't even affected. So whom are we really talking about here that's going to saddle up across the river? The problem with said reasoning is that eventually you end up back in the Middle Ages. I mean, if we want to attract business shouldn't we just set the tax to zero, force people to work 100 hour weeks, work every day, and pay them dirt? Relieve them of all regulations, give them money to put plants in everywhere, and then hope to make the money off of the citizens that come here for jobs? Oh wait..then we'd be China.
Really? I'm interested what company in PDX makes revenues in Oregon of 600 million. I don't even think that much is spent at any one business in the state. Because that's the only thing being taxed.
I would sell the item in Oregon or over the internet . . . does that avoid sales tax? I guess hitting up corporations and high income earners to solve school problems might be somewhat logical (especially to public employee union). . . but personally I am against tax increases during this time peroid (recession). My thought with Vancouver is . . . you avoid Oregon's high property tax and high (and increasing ) income tax. All these Oregon funky ways to selectively increase taxes on certain groups to make up for a lack of sales tax. Personally I'm sick of it.
The spending in the classroom, librarians and materials were all a part of the teacher pie. You can click on the part of the pie and it will tell you what is in each component part. In school. In fact, it counts under teachers. I said LO has as many support staff as it did teachers. That means administrators, counselors, front office, back office, janitorial, etc.
I wasn't living in Oregon at the time. Everyone has to make due with less. What's true in the private sector should be true in the government. That's not necessarily true. They could cut from other areas, ODOT for example. We can live with a few potholes. And teachers should be the last thing that are cut. But that's not going to get the bill passed, so they put the most critical services on the frontline to scare the populace. Go Blazers[/QUOTE]
.... "Integra, headquartered in Portland's Lloyd District, had sales of $683 million last year." Of course I never said it was ONLY Oregon that we do business in, and perhaps I am confusing revenue with sales, but there are conflicting articles that I am seeing.. ..of course, we do business across multiple States.....so . My previous point still stands; I don't care about the particulars/semantics of these numbers. http://blog.oregonlive.com/siliconforest/2009/12/integra_cuts_back_as_recession.html and how fitting of an article, for this discussion...
The union-funded campaign for the tax measures on the Jan. 26 campaign is building a decided money advantage over the opposition campaign funded by business interests. Vote Yes for Oregon has just reported receiving another $250,000 from the national headquarters of Service Employees International and another $30,000 from the SEIU local in Salem. Altogether, the union, which represents more employees in Oregon state government than anybody else, has given more than $1.1 million to the Yes campaign. At this point, the business community - which formed Oregonians Against Job-Killing Taxes, is lagging further behind. The totals raised now stand at: Vote Yes....................$4.55 million Oregonians Against.....$3.75 million And look at the cash balance for each campaign: Vote Yes...................$524,000 Oregonians Against.... $51,000 http://blog.oregonlive.com/mapesonpolitics/2010/01/unions_building_big_money_lead.html
SALEM — When Oregonians dig into their voters’ pamphlets this month, they’ll find that the opening and closing arguments in the section against raising taxes are actually written by the campaign to pass the tax increases. The group Our Oregon, which is leading the campaign to pass tax Measures 66 and 67, turned in to the Oregon Elections Division the first and last of the 34 submissions on which the “Argument in Opposition” circle was checked off. As a result, when Oregon’s 2.1 million voters thumb through the official voters’ pamphlet, which is to be mailed out at the end of the month, they’ll find pitches to vote the increase in personal and business taxes in a section where they thought they were supposed to be getting the reasons to vote against them http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/cityregion/24152253-41/story.csp
The business owners own income will be taxed in Washington. So as business owner, I sell someone an item from my business on Ebay and they live in Oregon, I have to pay taxes to Oregon?
I am not a tax expert in relation to how ebay or general online sales work. If an Oregonian goes to Washington and purchases an item, they aren't suppose to have to pay sales tax.
Not a tax expert myself, but it sure seems to make sense to live and work in Washington (less property and income tax) and buy all goods in Oregon. Anyone do this and am I right?
It is misleading and inaccurate to refer to the against side as "the business community". Most small businesses actually support these measures and the bulk of money against is from corporations and millionaires. BTW, 97.5% of all taxpayers will see no increase. 97% of all businesses will pay $150 or less.
Heres a view from a guy who got laid off from a criminal justice profession position. These measures don't sound so extreme like people are making them out to be.
Bah, that story sounds like a line of propaganda. And I normally am on the side that says "tax the rich and evil corporations. But that excerpt is just ridiculous......I don't believe it. And Maris, you're assumption that states "most small businesses are supporting these measures" is just your opinion, you're totally reaching there with that statement trying to back up your argument. I don't see how you know how "most" small business owners will vote already. The fact of the matter is, our state does a poor job at budget management, hold the state accountable, but do not give them more money to squander. Do not give Oregon businesses whether they be large or small another reason to lay-off more employees, or raise the price of goods and services onto the consumer to cover their newest expense. One way or another if the tax on businesses succeeds, we the consumer, will pay for it.
Thank you for highlighting exactly the phenomenon to which I had referred. Once again, it's Chicken Little and the sky is falling. I call bullshit.
