yeah but u can make a list of guys who went to college and had embarrassing nba careers- i.e. adam morisson. and i also think the onus is on gm's to make prudent decisions in the draft. for example- the spurs built their core via the draft; conversely, organizations that try and take short cuts to success inevitably fall on their face (e.g. the knicks). my one year d league mandate for kids coming from high school would force gm's to make more prudent decisions because it would force them to wait 1 year on a kid. moreover, on an unrelated noted- i would in conjunction with the players union mandate that everyone entering the league be enrolled in a personal finance course (even if its seminar orientated with no testing) because im tired of players being awarded million dollars contracts and being dirt poor. it creates amazing amounts of dysfunction in the league because players are always borrowing from other players which creates friction when debts arent paid back ; and players cant be legit partners with the league when they are constantly seeking their next pay day and not looking out for the best interests of fellow players and the league at large.
I'm of the belief AAU basketball hurts the NBA more than the college limit. AAU ball is all flash and little defense, if we can mediate that somehow, it could help. Sadly that will never happen.
I for one agree w/ the age limit... Its not that h.s. players aren't good enough... its simply giving them a fall-back once basketball hasn't turned out too good for them... after all not every h.s. phenom fulfills their potential unlike kobe, lebron, kg, dwight... (talking about the kwame's of the world) And even then, not every nba - star who made millions, will know how to handle his money when his career is over... In the Philippines, only college graduates are allowed to get drafted LOL But i think its just that h.s. players are nowhere ready (physically and metally) to play in the pros over here. Then again... the age limit does not apply to foreign born players right? or does it? (I dont think Rubio ever attended a university)
having attended a year of college isn't a fall back. and i'm pretty sure all they have to do is pass 6 hours during the first semester to stay eligible for the entire year. you can talk about the kwame's of the world, but kwame is making a ton of money. for individual players, it's always a better idea to go pro as soon as possible(if they are going to be a first round pick to give them guaranteed money) and then they'll have the money to go back to school if they need to eventually.
Kwame making a lot of money is good for Kwame, but it's terrible for the league and the NBA brand. I'm still trying to find that article for you. I haven't forgotten about it. It's a 300 page PDF file breaking down the argument some great stuff in there.
Code: [B]List of High School Players Declaring for NBA Draft, 1975-2005[/B] Name Year High School Round/(Overall) Darryl Dawkins 1975 Maynard Evans (FL) 1/(5) Bill Willoughby 1975 Dwight Morrow (NJ) 2/(19) Kevin Garnett 1995 Farragut Academy (IL) 1/(5) Kobe Bryant 1996 Lower Merion (PA) 1/(13) Jermaine O’Neal 1996 Eau Claire (SC) 1/(17) Taj McDavid 1996 Palmetto (SC) Undrafted Tracy McGrady 1997 Mt. Zion Christian (NC) 1/(9) Al Harrington 1998 St. Patrick’s (NJ) 1/(25) Rashard Lewis 1998 Alief Elsik (TX) 2/(32) Korleone Young 1998 Hargrave Military (VA) 2/(40) Ellis Richardson 1998 Polytechnic (CA) Undrafted Jonathan Bender 1999 Picayune (MS) 1/(5) Leon Smith 2000 King (IL) 1/(29) Darius Miles 2000 East St. Louis (IL) 1/(3) DeShawn Stevenson 2000 Washington Union (CA) 1/(23) Kwame Brown 2001 Glynn Academy (GA) 1/(1) Tyson Chandler 2001 Dominguez (CA) 1/(2) Eddy Curry 2001 Thornwood (IL) 1/(4) DeSagana Diop 2001 Oak Hill Acad. (VA) 1/(8) Ousmane Cisse 2001 St. Jude (AL) 2/(47) Tony Key 2001 Centennial (CA) Undrafted Amare Stoudemire 2002 Cypress Creek (FL) 1/(9) DeAngelo Collins 2002 Inglewood (CA) Undrafted Lenny Cooke 2002 Mott Adult (MI) Undrafted LeBron James 2003 St. Mary/St. Vincent (OH) 1/(1) Travis Outlaw 2003 Starkville (MS) 1/(23) Ndudi Ebbi 2003 Westbury Christian (TX) 1/(26) Kendrick Perkins 2003 Clifton J. Ozon (TX) 1/(27) James Lang 2003 Central Pk. Christian (AL) 2/(48) Dwight Howard 2004 SW Atlanta Christian Ac.(GA) 1/(1) Shaun Livingston 2004 Peoria Central (IL) 1/(4) Robert Swift 2004 Bakersfield (CA) 1/(12) Sebastian Telfair 2004 New York City Lincoln (NY) 1/(13) Al Jefferson 2004 Prentiss (MS) 1/(15) Josh Smith 2004 Oak Hill Academy (VA) 1/(17) J.R. Smith 2004 St. Benedict’s Prep (NJ) 1/(18) Dorell Wright 2004 Lawndale Leuzinger (CA) 1/(19) Martell Webster 2005 Seattle Prep (WA) 1/(6) Andrew Bynum 2005 St. Joseph HS (NJ) 1/(10) Gerald Green 2005 Gulf Shores Acad. (TX) 1/(18) C.J. Miles 2005 Skyline (TX) 2/(34) Monta Ellis 2005 Lainier (MS) 2/(35) Ricky Sanchez 2005 IMG Academy (FL) 2/(40) Louis Williams 2005 South Gwinnett (GA) 2/(45) Andray Blatche 2005 South Kent Prep (CT) 2/(49) Amir Johnson 2005 Westchester (CA) 2/(56)
well i hope no one wants to argue that the list of players who were unsuccessful going straight from college is longer than the list of players who were successful.
i'm going to ignore the guys before garnett because i don't think they're relevant to the discussion. there are 44 players listed. i think we can remove bender and livingston from the list because their injuries really make it impossible to judge whether or not they would have been successful. so that leaves us with 42 guys. i would consider kevin garnett, kobe bryant, jermaine oneal, tracy mcgrady, al harrington, rashard lewis, deshawn stevenson, amare stoudemire, lebron james, travis outlaw, kendrick perkins, dwight howard, al jefferson, josh smith, jr smith, andrew bynum, cj miles, monta ellis, louis williams, andray blatche, and amir johnson to definitely be successes based on their draft position and performance. that's 21 guys who i think are inarguably successes. that's half the guys right there. then you get to the guys who haven't lived up to their draft position but are proven contributors in the league for a significant amount of time. that would be martell webster, sebastian telfair, desagana diop, eddy curry, tyson chanlder, kwame brown, and darius miles. then you've got dorell wright and gerald green who were mid-late first round picks who managed to stay in the league for a reasonable amount of time. i'd say martell, curry, chandler, and miles at the very least should count as successes too. and the real thing to look at is the complete busts. that would be taj mcdavid, korleone young, ellis richardson, leon smith, ousmane cisse, tony key, deangelo collins, lenny cooke, ndudi ebi, james lang, robert swift, and ricky sanchez. that's it. 12 guys out of 42. and when you look closer, 5 of them went undrafted and 4 of them were 2nd round picks. so how is that exactly hurting the league? so if you take webster, curry, chandler, miles, and the 21 guys i don't think there are arguments against that means 25 of the 37 players drafted from high school have been "successes". that's 67%. i'd say that's pretty good.
Thata boy Amir. I'm against the age limit now, or the way it is used, and it has nothing to do with on court situations. I think we know what I mean by this.
i really dont see what is stopping someone from starting another pro league if the age limit increases. id pay to see john wall and the like this year on a pro team. colleges are fucking ridiculous. http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/college-basketballs-richest-teams-375/ although this is from 2008 it says UNC made 16.9 million PROFIT from their bball team, umm more than enough to "pay" their players tuitions, because that is what they are getting right? a free education??? too bad most of the good players are 1 and done or maybe 2 years. the age limit is a total scam.
Wheres the list of HS players that didn't make it to the NBA and spent time in the D-League for a long time?
didnt a boatload of nba teams take out a credit line this summer just to make payroll? the nba is struggling as is and i dont envision a sisters of the poor league being able to compete with the nba. look at pro football where the arena league, the cfl with expansion and the wwf league have all tried to compete with the nfl and ultimately failed.
