Do you question the Blazers' medical staff?

Fair or not - the medical and training staff is under a huge cloud as far as I am concerned.

Are they snakebit?

Are they competent?

I don't really care.

At this point we have a chronic, repeated series of "unfortunate" incidents where the medical and training staff was intimately involved in diagnosis, prescriptions and go orders.

At the very, very least, their competence should be questioned and analyzed.

In pro sports that is rarely done. Just the fact that a reasonable person in charge should launch an investigation is enough to seal the fate.

I think they all should be replaced. Doctors, surgeons, thearapists, trainers. Everybody.

I don't think it is much different than cleaning house when the coaching staff gets the axe for failing to win.

And the whole line that we can't have an opinion because we didn't go to Medical School is ABUSURD.

I can see FAILURE without a degree.

I can demand the team get the "Best" as a fan.

Do those "don't question the doctor" folks think every person who goes through medical school is EQUAL? Or, do you recognize that some are better than others - and some are much, much better than others.

I seriously doubt that our staff is the best there is at each thing they do. Let's get the best.

 

Have you ever heard of a hamstring injury that got better in less then a week?


Roy had admitted the day before that he was going to be careful what he told the staff so he could play the next game. Don't those guys read the fucking paper? There job is to be the voice of reason and tell a guy he can't go even if that player believes otherwise.


I also know it was a mistake via 20/20 hindsight where Roy re-injured it. In fact in an interview he said the pain was worse then it had been for the last week.

It sounds like Roy wanted to take a huge risk and the people the team pays to prevent that sort of thing didn't do their job.

Roy is at fault here. But the training staff isn't blameless. Far from it.

 

yes. In fact I've had that happen to me several times. Many times players complain of hamstring tightness and miss a game or two... you're way off base here.

you are reading into things. Him saying he isn't going to give the training staff ammo to shut him down doesn't mean that he is necessarily hiding something. That he is saying this to media makes that very doubtful.

then that settles it doctor. Your wild ass speculations based on an interview right after the game confirms it.

the panic fests around here are so stupid. Us fans don't know shit and we won't know shit, yet some still want to point fingers and fire people based on the filtered keyhole view of the situation we're in on.

It is management's job to provide oversight for the medical staff and trainers, not the fans. Does anyone really think that they just blindly abstain from this responsibility or are unaware that their players have sustained a rash of injuries?

 

absolutely.

 

Man do you run around living in tunnel vision or something? It was so obvious through reading that Roy felt he had to tell the training staff what they wanted to hear in order for him to play. The whole point of using your brain to determine what has been going on is so you learn. If you choose to walk around in a tunnel and disregard all of the evidence put forward as to happen, then you are failing to learn. It was so easy to see that Roy was going to say what was needed in order to play.

Secondly for your comment about Hamstrings healing in a week. Yea they can if there is nothing done but resting and therapy. But Roy tried to go in practice several times in that time period. Rest means rest. Not practice.

 

Actually, all the evidence we have at hand would suggest that's exactly what is happening, as crazy as it sounds.

 

you can have an opinion on the medical situation of a team or most anything else in the world... I never said you couldn't. It certainly doesn't take wisdom/knowledge or experience to hold an opinion. I wouldn't expect anyone associated with the Blazers to take you seriously unless you've got more perspective and expertise then you're letting on. Can you name one of their doctors or therapists without looking them up on the internet? How do you know that their guys aren't the best? Do you think an effective way to... demand the team get the "Best" as a fan is to make posts on a chatsite? DO YOU THINK TYPING IN ALL CAPS MAKE YOUR WORDS CARRY MORE WEIGHT?

my Pops actually is a Doc here in town at St Vincents and has made passing comments to me about their staff having good people. But he doesn't work with them on a daily basis. He hasn't seen how they're handling the guy's situations. Despite being a huge Blazer fan and a Doctor, I wouldn't take his view on the Blazer medical situation as gospel either.

I'd hope that management holds questions about their staff (medical and overall) each and every year. It's their job after all. That they are actually in place to observe and question them makes them infinitely more qualified to intelligently critique the situation then some random fan.

STOMP

 

I suspect the reason we fans have no evidence is because how ape shit we get with the little kernels of knowledge we occasionally do stumble across or (more likely) imagine we have. I'd suspect that we aren't in on the conversations on the inner workings of the team is completely by design.

For instance, how aware are we as to how many medical staff they employ? Whats been the turnover? Has anyone been fired? Who is the longest tenured staff Doctor?

STOMP

 

yeah if only I weres a smart like hasoos. Then my tunnel wouldn t brain my failng.

STOMP

 

I work up at OHSU in a lab. I work primarily with PhD's, not MD's, but I do interact with both. One thing I have learned working up here is how amazing some of them are, and how absolutely crappy others are. From the outside, it is hard to understand how wide a gap there is from doctor to doctor. Just because someone went through med school does not mean they are good. Hopefully, the Blazer medical staff is comprised of quality doctors, but i just don't know this to be the case. I don't think any of us have enough information to judge the medical staff to be competent or incompetent, but we do have a prolonged period of time where the Blazers suffered many more injuries than is normal. I would like to get some new medical staff because this group has not proved to me that they are able to keep the team healthy. That does not mean the health problems are their fault, just that I want another staff to take their shot at keeping the Blazers healthy.

 

You seem to take this personally on their behalf. Not sure why you are defensive on their behalf.

Look, I assume the Blazer staff are GOOD.

I don't know if they are GREAT. YOU don't know if they are great.

In fact, I don't give a shit if they are great or how great they may be.

All that is completely moot in my mind as a fan with an opinion (all this board is about and all I can offer).

I don't need to proof on this topic.

The Blazers staff does. And unfortunately for them - on their watch - they have presided over disaster.

They must go.

How hard is that to grasp.

Really, it is nothing personal about the staff. I don't care if they are Jack LaLane and Marcus Welby. Get lost. Let another team try.

 

That's just it, we have no evidence that there have been any changes made, despite ongoing (snowballing?) injury issues. The absence of such "proof" doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it does nothing to end the speculation, either. Without such evidence, I consider the peanut gallery speculation to be warranted. The team has to be well aware of this common concern and could easily silence it by to pointing to any changes they have made, if indeed they have made any.

 

you seem to be off your rocker angry about something you know little about other then injuries suffered to Blazers in this rough game. Not sure why you are upset or why you've made this so personal in your posts about me and not the subject I was discussing. The line I quoted from you in the previous post was an accusation you pulled out your ass.

you claim you don't know anything about them, presume them to be good and possibly great, and want them to be fired because you're angry that Blazer players suffered injuries... got it! I got it last time too and wasn't having a hard time grasping it. It's just that your opinion seems so silly and I have a hard time respecting it.

Players get hurt and Doctors try to heal them. Some Docs are of course better then others and I'm presume that with all the $$$ PA has showered his team with, Blazer management is under instruction to have top guys. The FIRE THEM ALL CUZ MASBEE'S ANGRY ABOUT BROKEN BONES & HAMSTRINGS plan seems a very dumb way to build a solid office staff. If I was tops in my field and looking for a new job, a house cleaning like you're advocating would make me extremely wary of a situation, especially if the fired Docs were as good to great as you said they probably are. Why in the world would a top Doc want to work for a team where if the player breaks their leg, it's the Doc's head on the chopping block as a sacrifice to appease angry fans? Also, a brand new staff in any field has all sorts of issues to work out to get on the same page.

I'd guess currently that they have some top longterm folks that they're very happy with, some they're so-so on and some new people settling in. We're all entitled to our opinions, mine is that I'd hope and expect that management has been and will continue to regularly review it's internal personnel trying to build the best group they can. That includes getting rid of Docs if one or more of them is judged to be unsatisfactory. But the Lets toss the baby with the bathwater approach you're advocating is asinine. A few years back when they were sucking under Nash, they would have tossed out KP if they followed this thinking. Is he recognized as the top GM or should he be fired too? Greg did break his leg...

who would you have hire these new top Docs? The same idiots that hired the last group, or should they all be fired too? From your expert vantage, where should the scorched earth firing line be drawn? or should it? Should PA fire everyone and sell the team so that they can get a true fresh start?

STOMP

 

Sorry STOMP, but you do seem to be taking this personally for some reason. While I'm not necessarily advocating "cleaning house", I am definitely recommending they perform a full review of their medical and training personnel. Too many coincidences for me.

 

how exactly? I've no dog in this fight other then hating kneejerk mob mentality reaction to bad news especially when bad news is halfway expected in this sport. I've advocated regular review and honing towards the best staff possible, I just assume they've always done this and have no evidence that they haven't. Far from taking it personal, I'm advocating taking a levelheaded approach

Did you even read my post or are you upset that I'm not typing in all caps and equipped with tar and feathers?

STOMP

 

I think it's time you took your meds. But, if the Blazers docs wrote your prescription, you'd probably end up unable to type all caps. lol.

I think it's clear that the medical staff is not doing a good job at preventing re-injuries. Webster, Roy, Batum, Rudy and Oden stand out as examples.

Time to hire a new staff.

 

just a heads up... no matter how obvious about it you might think you're being, sarcasm flies right over some poster's heads without a smiley

in this case I'd suggest one of these...

really just about any will do

STOMP

 

good grief... really what should I say to this?

STOMP

 

no way

My guess is that regardless of what was provided, Canzano and Co would just use it as another prop to stir the pot for the soap opera loving sect of the peanut gallery. They fired their top guy last year means the latest guy needs to be fired too... nobody has been fired and the guys in charge are respected experts means they've lost it and need to be shown the door. Seriously just guessing, but does anyone know if this was the subject on JC's show today? It smells like it...

I'd much rather this sort of stuff be kept in house and hold management accountable as we (fans) clearly can't handle the truth. While some of us want wins/championships as our main goals, obviously some others of us crave a juicy trade or a player to hate above all else... something to talk about around the proverbial water cooler. Publicly revealing firings feeds the drama fiends and keeps them expecting more. Give the drama fans the silent treatment.

I hope they are making the right decisions behind the curtains and don't pretend I know what should be done. I'll limit my critiques to what I can observe.

STOMP

 

They don't need to name names of who has been let go, just specify who has been brought in new to address concerns or provide greater attention in certain areas.