That's the possible rumor out there today; http://www.csnne.com/pages/landing?More-Celtics-trade-talk=1&blockID=168603&feedID=3945 Not really what I'd like to see but maybe Monta needs to go so Curry can blossom into the next Nash/CP3; yes I really put that down because once he cuts down on those lazy one-handed TOs, he will be able to score at will and set others up and Ray would be perfect (for a half of a season at least.) Of course once they get that cap room, it will just expire without any use.
I just can't see Monta and Rondo playing together, the way it is, Boston is great when Rondo dominates the ball and finds Allen/KG, etc... But either way, this would be an ass-headed trade for the Warriors, so it may actually happen... One of the hottest young players in the league, straight up for an expiring contract? Why, are we just trying to dump Monta for cap relief...? Why not use Monta to get another young piece to build around... certainly a package with Monta could entertain trades like a Chris Bosh deal... or something like Al Jefferson at least... A young, big man to pair with Curry for an inside out game... but, just for cap relief? Why in the world would GS trade their best young player for cap relief...? Unless they think they could actually be players in the 2010 FA bonanza.... but who would want to come here...?
Because they have no clue? And they just want to stop giving away free money? Even though he's a rare potential star? Yep. falls in line with their prior idiotic moves, desperation Maggette signing, ditching JRich (I personally don't see him being a difference maker, they still won 48 and still unclear on Brandon), ditching Marco.
As a Celtics fan, I would be ok with this. i also think it's pretty likely because I know Ainge has liked Ellis since before he was drafted.
Not sure. They must want to get rid of Ellis pretty badly if they would actually offer him for Ray. Maybe there's a FA they really like?
It's funny, I think 2 months ago about 90% of the people on these boards (probably including me) would have done this deal in a second. Now it's a travesty. Well, I don't know, for me, from a Warriors perspective, I'd have to consider it, although that would be predicated on management actually doing something useful with all that cap space, which I don't have a lot of confidence in. I do think there is something to the point mentioned that Monta's presence may impede Curry's development (people said the same thing about the presence of Baron and SJax impeding Monta's progress, and it looks like they were right), although moving Ellis for that reason is a big gamble at this point. If they can eventually parlay Ellis (and possibly Biedrins) into a true stud big man, I wouldn't be against it, but can they pull it off? A core of Curry, Randolph, Wright, and a top center could potentially win a lot more games than this team now, with Ellis. I do worry Ellis is Iverson all over again, who had a lot of seasons playing huge minutes and scoring ridiculous numbers of points, but that didn't add up to much in the end, especially championships.
Well, Ellis has very high value right now. I think that value can be used for a lot more than just cap room. If they simply get cap room, there's no way to guarantee they can lure a star player here. More likely, they'll take the $18 mils in cap room and give it to 3 mediocre players, like another few Maggette deals, rather than one star player. On the other hand, Ellis could be used to trade for a star player, who would already be under contract. Like, I don't know, maybe we could swing a miracle and get Andrew Bogut, or Marc Gasol, or Al Jefferson (he's averaging 18 points and 10 rebounds)... Bogut has 5 years left on his contract... obviously the Bucks don't want to trade him... But the idea is, if we can use Ellis' scorching value right now to land a long-term contract for a young, star player in return, it would be better than testing the free agent market and trusting Larry Riley with the cash... instead of landing Chris Bosh, he'll probably spend it on Rasheed Wallace/Juwan Howard/Larry Hughes...
Yeah, the more I think about this, the worse it sounds...they could do better for Ellis right now than cap space.
Keep Monta. He's the man right now. Yeah, a few months ago I probably would have said the opposite, but things change. The Warriors should really do nothing right now because the season is lost. They should try their luck in the FA market next year but don't do anything to create more cap space because you guys are right, Larry Riley and Co have no idea what they're doing. Mo Money Mo Problems. Cohan's a cheap alcoholic bastard. I know the last part doesn't really fit with anything, but I thought I'd throw that out there.
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. I think you keep the young guy who's approaching all-star status vs. trying to replace him. This deal makes no sense. DK - the picture in your signature is hilarious! I've seen it before...
Yeah, the scoreboard had it reversed for a while. I even double checked because I couln't believe it and glanced at the box score. I was trying to figure out how the Clips won shooting under 40%, I knew somehing seemed fishy.
Yeah, I found the picture randomly when I think I was doing online car shopping...go figure. The actual pic is a little bigger, I think, but the sig reduces the size. Anyway, back to Monta. If Larry Riley says what he's going to do, which is to not make any panic moves and/or moves that don't improve the team, then he will NOT do this deal. Plain and simple. I understand that freeing up cap space will give us that much more flexibility in the 2010 FA market, but that's not a sure thing and at his own admission, he says many players are not attracted at the prospect of joining GS. Presuming this deal does go through, from a pure team improvement perspective, you could say it would make the TEAM better. Kind of how Raja Bell allowed the team to play together for that one game he played (coincidentally against the Celtics). But from a talent perspective, this would take away a star player and give us the now Houston Rockets. A great group of team players. I think that's important, but also, let's be honest, the Houston Rockets aren't going far and if they could have Yao back in favor of taking away crisp swing passes around the wing and good defensive rotations, they'd do it in a heart beat. Not saying Monta is Yao - not even close - but the point is a team needs a star player to have any hope of going far. It's the allure of the NBA. If we want to watch good team basketball only, we can spend our summers watching the WNBA. So, in short, the Warriors need Monta and they need one more star quality player to improve anytime soon. Curry is the next closest thing to that player, but we need a little more balance in the talent level...in other words, we either need Randolph to continue to improve and show us signs that he is that player or we need to add to him a real big man (Beans is not a real big man as much as we love him...he's not a difference maker as far as taking us to the playoffs). People are throwing around Al Jefferson, but I don't think he would work well on the Warriors. Remember, even if Nellie leaves, the Warriors still want a coach that coaches an uptempo team per Larry Riley. Now, if Larry Riley is gone, who knows...
Cohan! The cheap bastard. C'mon this is ridiculous. Monta is our best player. I rather deal him to the Knicks for David Lee, Raps for Bosh or to the TWolves for Al. EDIT: I don't really want to deal Monta, but if the W's have to trade him, then make sure you get equal value back. Not cap space. I doubt cap space will land us a top shelf free agent, but our cap space could bring us another Baron type deal.
Sounds like intentional information leak. This sets us all up to accept an average deal that dishes out Monta, because "At least it's not for cap-space" What it does confirm, is that they're considering trading Monta. I was reading between the lines thinking that was the case, looks like I may have been right.
You could be right about reading between the lines. I hate to see Monta traded because this is the kind of the thing that goes against my grain. I see it as team destruction instead of getting a good deal to improve the team. What I mean is we need players to build with and few years ago, the Warriors put faith in Ellis and AB to build around. I rather stick to that script. (This is not to say I am against change. I would have been okay with dealing Curry in the reported Stoudemire deal if we had a *cohesive* Jackson-Ellis-AB (with Jamal Crawford) led team. But today, this kind of deal doesn't make a lot of sense for the long run. If Monta didn't want to be a Warrior and make it his team, then it would be different. Clearly, we have seen that is not the case.
