Hornets @ Blazers 1/25/2010 Game Thread

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  1. EGame

    EGame "You're the only one of these fools I trust"

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    Well I would have if he let one of Rudy/Bayless stay in the 4th, but instead, he put Blake in when he really hadn't done anything the whole game. That was very frustrating to see and not needed. Rudy was awesome at rebounding and made some big shots and Bayless, with his ability to drive and put pressure on the Hornets defense as well as pick up fouls is better than what Blake brought tonight. I cannot hold what he has to play with against him, but I can hold him bringing in Blake when he should have not done at all.
     
  2. The_Lillard_King

    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    I don't think anyone can question Bayless' heart. But did anyone noticed that his most pronounced limp came after he missed the shot?

    I think it is just human nature as he was probably hurting before he even played . . . but just found it interesting (and worrysome) . . . he is not 100% right now.
     
  3. BrianFromWA

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    Here you go. And this one only works in college and rec-league games (that I know of), so sorry about that.

    How about having one of your better distance shooters shooting the contested 20-footers with your PF and C low for the rebound? I mean, I know that's crazy-talk. How about your PF on the baseline passing off to your 4-for-6-shooting-three-point-specialist instead of taking a jumper from behind the basket?

    Wait, you want actual plays? Well, if the side p&r to LMA that broke down into an isolation for Miller didn't work with 2:14 left...and the side P&R to Howard resulted in a busted-play FT attempt...that probably wouldn't drive me straight towards the side-isolation-into-a-double-team-caused-when-your-big-brought-his-man-and-the-help-side-defender-into-the-paint play, but I'm not being paid 6M this year. Though if that didn't work, and I hadn't gotten a rebound of any type in 4 minutes, maybe I wouldn't go (out of a timeout with 17 seconds on the shot clock and 32 on the game) with the side-isolation-into-a-double-team-again-b/c your big man brought his man to you, (but didn't get inside for the rebound position against the double-team) so that the contested-fadeaway into a double-team didn't result in a 3-to-1 rebounding advantage for them inside.

    Or, when drawing up the last play for your young, backup PG...perhaps telling him that taking it against a double-team isn't going to be the best plan, so if the ball-side defender slides to you, your three-point specialist is open in the corner with plenty of time (2.4 when he pulled up) to catch and shoot a wide open 3?

    I mean, what the heck do I know? Any more plays you want drawn up? How about a drive-and-kick? How about a high-low run with Juwan and Howard with Webs and Rudy/Blake in the corners? Why are you wasting 2 great shooters and 2 bigs having your bigs shoot 20-footers and your smalls post up against double-teams? Are you going to argue that those were good plays, especially repeated against failure?

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  4. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

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    Lets try this again because I obviously wasn't clear....

    What play (singular) would you have drawn up with 30 seconds to go?

    I understand you didn't like the play that was called. I understand that you didn't like the clean 17ft jumper Bayless got in under 4 seconds, I get all that. All I want to know is what would have been your bread and butter play with that unit on the last full possession.
     
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    Just watched it again. He got seperation from Collison, but the help defender did a nice job of coming over and contesting the shot more than I thought, not as clean as I remembered it. Still a shot I'm comfortable with considering the time and score.
     
  8. BrianFromWA

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    Come on, now. What do you want me to say? That I'd have a high-low double-pick worked on in practice so that I'd have more that the PG-ICE play as my "bread-and-butter"? Maybe. Or perhaps the drive-and-kick? Maybe. I don't know what the team runs in practice. I do know that what they do is repeated over and over in the last 3-4 minutes of the game. Whether it's Roy, Miller or Bayless running it, it's the same play.

    But you want a play? Rudy and Webster running off of picks away from the ball, and either getting the ball on the move for an open mid-range jumper, or a back-cut rolling to the hoop. There. Miller's ICE play wasn't working, the bigs needed to be near the paint for rebounding, and your two hottest shooters are in the game. Seems to make at least a bit of sense.
     
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    More than Webster wide-open for 3? I'm not saying it's the worst play we ran in the last 5 minutes, but Bayless has to have it in his mind that he's able to a) get to the rim or the line against a single defender, or b) if the help defender comes from the ball-side he has a shooter in the corner. This isn't rocket science stuff...it's practiced all the time.
     
  10. illmatic99

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    I can reluctantly accept that Bayless shot. But I'm having trouble understanding the rationale behind Miller taking a fadeaway jumper, foul line extended, with so much time on the clock on the possession prior.
     
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    I thought Rudy played a lot in the 4th if I remember right. Blake played less than Rudy and porobably would have played less than Bayless had Bayless been 100%. There is a reason Bayless got 13 minutes . . . and I don't think it was because of his play.

    As it is, Blake played 22 minutes, went 4-8 with a couple of assists and no TOs. But yes, many on this board get mad when Nate plays Blake (calling Nate all kinds of names) . . . so I understand what you are saying.
     
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    The_Lillard_King Westside

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    I don't get it . . . are you blaming Nate or Bayless?
     
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    It sounds like you're referring to a similar play the Pacers used to run for Reggie Miller and the Pistons run for Rip Hamilton. It's a play I certainly am a fan of as it often results in a corner 3 or a curled 15ft jumper. My guess is that we score 50% of the time off of that play, which is better than our normal field goal percentage. I'd still argue the shot Miller go in the post late the game is a shot he makes 2/3 of the time, so I'll take the higher percentage shot in this case.

    I appreciate the play in all seriousness, it helps me understand what type of set you prefer in late game situations. You rarely see a play like that ran down the stretch at the NBA level, but I'm not opposed to it.
     
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    Let's be fair. Some get mad when Nate plays Blake when Blake shouldn't be near the floor. Today he was playing well, and deserved the 22 minutes he got. He was playing solid D, making shots, not making brain errors. No problem there.

    Starting Blake over Miller while he was bringing a sub-9.0 PER to the table? And playing him 30 mpg? That's where the angst came.

    I'm fine with how Blake's played (and been used) since he came back from pneumonia (outside of that first game where he had little business being in, and mercifully was taken out after the airballed 3).
     
  15. EGame

    EGame "You're the only one of these fools I trust"

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    Bayless was playing solid D too. Bayless made shots. I think the only thing against Bayless were his careless turnovers, but he made some fine passes himself. I don't know, as good as Blake may have played in some eyes, I thought Bayless played better, but I am biased towards Bayless as he is my favorite player and maybe he didn't play as well as I thought.
     
  16. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Just got back from the game. Nate has to go. His idiotic play calling cost us another game we had won (just like the Memphis game three weeks ago). We had an 8-point lead with 3:26 left in the game, but were outscored 10-1 over the rest of the game (just like when we had an 8-point lead with 3:45 left in the Memphis game and were outscored 13-1 to lose by 4).

    Just like in the Memphis game, we had the lead, the momentum and the crowd behind the team. New Orleans looked defeated. Thankfully for them, we have an idiot for a coach who can't call anything but isolation plays over the last 3 minutes of a game. Just like the Memphis game, the Blazers were scoring with ease due to good ball movement and good player movement. The team was getting lots of easy looks, everyone was involved in the flow of the offense and we had the game won - until McMoron pulls out his momentum killing patented all ISO all the time offense.

    The results were painfully predictable. We've seen it all before. We start running ISOs on every play - which results in one of three things: the player with the ball forcing up a bad shot with the shot clock winding down, him passing off to a surprised teammate with less than 2 seconds left on the shot clock who has to force up a bad shot, or a shot clock violation. You will notice all three options have one thing in common - they don't result in the Blazers actually scoring any points.

    Tonight's pet play was running an ISO for Miller against Collison on the left side 20 feet from the basket. Not only did this kill all ball movement, all player movement and the momentum we had, it also played right to Collison's strength. Collison is a very small, thin QUICK player. Andre Miller is NOT QUICK ENOUGH TO BEAT HIM OFF THE DRIBBLE 20 FEET FROM THE BASKET. Jesus, it doesn't take a rocket scientist, or even a 4th grade youth basketball coach, to see that. Not surprisingly the play failed, failed and failed again. Good bye momentum. Good bye ballgame.

    If Nate wanted to actually exploit Collison's weakness, and not play to his strength, the smart thing would have been for Miller to post him up on the low block and have Bayless or Blake feed him the ball. Then Miller can use his size and strength advantage to simply turn and shoot over Collison. But, that would have involved more than one player. So, it's not in McMillian's late game playbook. As it was, starting 20 feet from the basket, Miller couldn't get past Collison to get close enough to the basket to get off an easy shot.

    God that was painful to watch. So, predictable. So disappointing. So avoidable.

    BNM
     
  17. BrianFromWA

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    If it was a Miller iso earlier in the game, or if it was mixed in with a set of 3 or 4 plays that were in the "go-to" bag, then I'd be more for it. But other teams and scouts know at least as much (and, aside from MEM, WAAAY more) than me about this, and know that the guard isolation is going to be the predominant play in the last 3 minutes of a close game. Miller didn't have clean looks on his 2 back-downs in the last minute. Especially since Howard brought his man to the ball both times, yet wasn't in rebounding position. I don't blame Nate for the broken play that resulted in the FTs.

    Personally, I don't agree with the thought that the guard-iso (whether Roy, Miller or Bayless--though better % with Roy) is better than an open 3 or 15-footer coming off a pick--just b/c of the rut we get into where the D knows it's coming. If it was one of 3 or 4 "go-to" plays, then perhaps. :dunno:
     
  18. The_Lillard_King

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    But don't you see, some poster will always be mad when Nate plays Blake . . . as evidenced in this thread.

    You draw the line at Blake starting, other draw the line at Blake getting 30 plus minutes, others draw the line when Blake plays at all.

    I get where your angst comes, but posters angst about Nate playing Blake comes at many different levels. I know you are convinced you have it right when Blake PT is justified and when it's not . . . from my perspective, someone will complain about Nate every game if the Blazers lose and Nate played Blake.

    Not calling you out egame . . . it someone every game.
     
  19. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I'm done pointing out the obvious. I've been saying that Nate needs to go for over a year now, and yet some people still think he's a great coach. I've pretty much lost all hope, and I figure the only way he's actually going to lose his job is if we fail next season. The injuries are his "get out of jail free" card.
     
  20. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    EXACTLY! Stopping the ISO is a LOT easier when you know it's coming (again, again and again). Nothing like killing your own offensive momentum AND letting the defense rest for the first 20 seconds of every late game possession.

    BNM
     

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