That is an interesting question, and a hard one to answer. I see no real reason why men and women should be segregated, but it's something that has been imprinted on almost every society. That, of course, is not a good reason to do something but as things stand, men and women don't feel unhappy about the situation, so I don't feel an urgency about society addressing it. I think this betrays a fundamental misunderstanding about homosexuality. Being homosexual (or heterosexual) isn't defined by behaviour any more than race is. Sexuality is defined by which sex you are attracted to, which seems (from twins studies and even observance of homosexuality in other animals) to be an innate trait, by and large. You might use behaviour to identify homosexuals and heterosexuals, but that isn't what defines the state of being. A gay man or woman (as defined by who they're attracted to) who didn't share sex or romance with another person of their sex would still be gay...they would just be repressing it for whatever reason. Just as straight man or woman who didn't share sex or romance with an opposite sex partner would still be straight.
"Crash" McCain was born 300 years ago, when hate and ignorance were worn like badges of honor. He is a very bad person, there's just no getting around it.
I'd like the military to ban all homophobes, so we would stop getting our ass kicked by smaller, weaker, poorer countries all the time. If you are such a pansy that the mere presence of gays scares you, there's no conceivable way you are brave enough to defend your countrymen.
HAHAHA Well said! "OMG HE LOOKED AT MY BUTT! I think I liked it and it is bringing up the fear that I like it!"
Let's get realistic for a sec. The military is LARGELY homosexual. Sure, there's a few confused heterosexuals in there, but mostly it's closet gays. The only real attraction for recruitment is the chance to HANG OUT WITH MEN ALL THE TIME, SHOWER TOGETHER, EAT TOGETHER, SLEEP TOGETHER, DRESS ALIKE, BE SUBMISSIVE AND HAVE MEN ORDER YOU AROUND. It's gay Utopia. Q-What do you call a bunch of straight guys who like to shower together? A-Closet homosexuals.
1. You apparently don't know the definition of the word "lie". 2. If the military says gay sex is "military illegal", then clearly the military needs to be completely restructured, re-educated, and revamped with brighter minds who represent our country's 21st century thinking and not the tired hatred of the dark ages. Maybe it's time for a true Volunteer Military, as in a military that works for free. Everyone in the military is paid by me, the taxpayer, to work for me, the taxpayer, and to defend my rights and my liberty. If you can't do that, then don't take my money on false premises. If you want to attempt to subvert and limit my rights as an American, be a traitor to our country, don't ask me to pay your salary. Man up and be a bigot on your own dime.
Oh, but I do. I'm using the "willingly utter a falsehood" definition. To prove his point about DADT, he said that it made sailors lie. It doesn't. No one is required to answer. Much like the 5th Amendment, I would imagine--though legal matters are outside the realm of my knowledge. Just b/c you don't answer doesn't mean you're guilty, or should lie to cover it up. If anyone asks about it, you report it to your chain of command. And to willing utter something contrary to that is a "lie" by the CNO. Right, because the only thing that's important to the military is the sexual well-being of all types. Forget fighting wars and stuff. BTW, the "Military" doesn't say anything that the taxpayers (like me!) and their representatives say not to. The Big, Bad, Homophobic Military (TM) didn't authorize the UCMJ...Congress did. They approve every officer's promotion. They are paid from the Congressionally approved budget. The Commander-in-Chief is the highest appeal of those rules. So you ARE against homosexuals enlisting in the military under false pretenses? Another point we agree on. And, amazingly enough, one the UCMJ covers (Article 83) How am I a bigot if I'm enforcing YOUR law, Mr. Taxpayer? Or do you want me to pick and choose the laws I follow, and how I choose to interpret them? You throw the "traitor" term around a lot for someone so misinformed. Come up to Seattle and I'll take you on a tour of a submarine...let you meet some of the traitors stealing your tax money to fund their barely-above-poverty-line salaries, driving around billions of dollars worth of hardware that protects your country by working long hours in dangerous situations months away from land, air and their families. You can ask those bigots why they follow the orders they're given instead of scheming ways to make up new ones. And they'll probably start off their sentences with "Well, Mr. Maris, sir...it's like this...".
As you say, you are selecting a single narrow definition of one vehicle (oral) of lying, and ignoring the actual definition and meaning. You're not stupid so why try to pretend you are? 1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive 2 : to create a false or misleading impression All gays in the military are effectively ORDERED TO LIE by remaining silent and PRETENDING they are heterosexual. It's called "living a lie". This is why, like law enforcement, the military will never have any credibility with it's citizens. It is built on the practice of deception and deliberate untruths.
Yes, I am against forcing people to lie for any reason and I am against lying for any reason. There is never justification for lying. End of story.
No, but they obviously have bearing on what you think someone else should be allowed to do and what they should not be allowed to do. I've never met a non-religious person who had a problem with gays. In fact, I've never met a non-religious person who had a problem with other people's lifestyles in general. Religion is the #1 evil in the world.
Brian, I rarely agree with Maris on anything, but on this one he's right. Forcing people to live a lie is just not right, nor does it have anything to do with making the military good/better/stronger.
