RIP John Murtha

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  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I could say a lot about his comfort level with earmarks, but today I say rest in peace and thank you for your service to this country, both in the House and in uniform serving in Vietnam.
     
  2. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    For the record, I wouldn't be surprised to see his seat taken by a Republican in the upcoming special election.
     
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    The man represented everything wrong with Washington. Condolences to his family, but the Congress is better off without him. Corruption is not something that can be easily overlooked.
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    That should be written on his tombstone.

    Condolences to his family.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/09/john-murtha-barack-obama-democrats

    Veteran congressman's death adds to Barack Obama's woes
    • Democrats fear Republicans will win seat held since 1974
    • President's poll ratings fall further amid health care impasse

    The Democratic party faces another election test after the death yesterday of John Murtha, a congressman dubbed by his colleagues the "king of pork".

    Murtha, aged 77, had been in the House of Representatives since being elected to his Pennsylvania district in 1974.

    The fear in the party is that Republicans will notch up another victory when a special election is held, probably May.

    The Democrats have been panicking since losing Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts Senate seat to the Republicans last month.

    Murtha's nickname referred to so-called pork barrel politics – bringing government spending to bear in a representative's own district.

    His death came on a day that saw Barack Obama's poll ratings fall further. A Marist poll found that only 44% of voters surveyed approved of his job performance, down 2% on December. More alarming for Democratic strategists, 57% of independents disapprove of his performance.

    Murtha's death will have a neglible impact on the arithmetic of the House, where the Democrats have an overwhelming majority, unlike in the Senate. But another defeat in the spring would add to the sense of panic among Democrats in the run-up to the Congressional mid-term elections in November.

    Murtha's office said he had died in hospital after complications following gallbladder surgery. He had been in hospital for several months.

    His election in 1974 marked him out as the first of those to have served in Vietnam to make it into Congress.

    He was popular on the left as one of the first senior Democrats in 2005 to turn against the Iraq war. But he was also one of the leading exponents of 'pork-barrel' politics, a practice that has long been reviled outside Washington and is one of the reasons for the present levels of disenchantment.

    Murtha, as chairman of the House defence appropriations sub-committee, added 'earmarks', special spending projects to help his district, to defence bills, hence the King of Pork.

    Scandal hovered over him throughout much of his career.

    Murtha faced a tough race for re-election in 2008 after sabotaging his own campaign by referring to some of voters in Pennsylvania as "racist".

    One of the reasons for the turnaround in Democratic fortunes is opposition to Barack Obama's health reform plan.

    The president will make a fresh push this month to get his troubled health reform package through Congress by meeting both Democrats and Republicans, hoping to find common ground.

    The half-day discussion at Blair House, opposite the White House, will be broadcast live on television to counter public criticism that too many deals in Washington are made behind closed doors.

    Obama announced the meeting during a CBS television interview on Sunday evening. "I want to consult closely with our Republican colleagues … to ask them to put their ideas on the table. I want to come back and have a large meeting, Republicans and Democrats, to go through systematically all the best ideas that are out there and move it forward," he said.

    The Republican leader in the House of Representatives, John Boehner, welcomed the move as "a real, bipartisan conversation", but added: "The problem with the Democrats' healthcare bills is not that the American people don't understand them; the American people do understand them and they don't like them."

    The Republican leader in the Senate, Mitch McConnell, welcomed the meeting, but suggested he was unlikely to compromise, calling for the Democrats' bill to be shelved.

    The move buys the Democrats a few more weeks while they debate among themselves whether to push forward with the bill or abandon it. The version of the bill passed by the Senate on Christmas Eve would extend health care to 30 million more Americans.
     
  6. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    He was a conservative Democrat whom the Republicans loved until he turned against the Iraq War. Suddenly the media decided that he was the epitome of pork barrel politics. A good politician who got things for his state. Pro-war, but not in the pocket of warmongers. Congress is full of much worse people than this. I liked him.
     
  7. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Later I will discuss his shortcomings as a Congressman, but today I'm not going to speak ill of the dead.
     
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    MARIS61 Real American

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    Actually, you kinda just did there. :devilwink:
     
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    Let's not get carried away. :tsktsk:

    No one man could possibly find the time to repesent everything wrong with Washington.

    No even if he lived to be 327 years old. :devilwink:
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    It's the right-wing blogs that got carried away. They were stung and called him a turncoat. He was more honest than anyone who has clung to that evil war.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    I remember he was in the news re: Iraq war. Don't remember why.

    R.I.P.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    I'm glad we don't have a state-owned media like other countries, because if anyone like rich people controlled our media, you'd suddenly see a lot of negative articles about a conservative who changes sides. A guy would no longer be able to get with what he got away with for all the decades he trod the elephantine path.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    You think Murtha was criticized as corrupt because he simply switched sides on Iraq? Well, it's an opinion. It's batshit crazy and ill-conceived, but it's an opinion.
     
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    You, sir, have shown your ignorance on the man with the above statement. No member of Congress was more in the pocket of defense contractors than Murtha. The man was on their payroll for decades.
     
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    I guess you've already forgotten about this congressman:

    http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Dick_Cheney
     

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