Chicago Mayor Tries to Poach Oregon Companies because of Measure 66

So in exchange for saving millions upon millions of dollars they had to pay..what...maybe 5-20K at most? Please.

 

To be fair the primary, penultimate reason Bend is in a mess right now is because wealthy speculators kept jacking up the real estate and caused a construction boom, which brought in tons of people who demanded services. Take away the gas and the engine does not continue to run. There was never one major employer in Bend driven away by "high taxes" or anything of the sort.

I only wish I could've found a good job down there. I'd be calling Maris right now to get a deal. There are some SWEET properties with nice bits of land to be had for bargain prices still.

 

I think a lot of people would love to find a job down there. That's kind of my point. I get why Maris is so proud of his home area. But I sometimes thinks he fails to understand the importance of big businesses. I acknowledge that big business in a community has some negatives . . . but there are also a lot of positives as well.


And it's not like Bend Oregon can act as the prototypical model city for the state.

 

You keep thinking this is all about the amount of new business tax. Your responses are always "I'm sure the new taxes don't make comapnies move."

Either you don't want to or can't understand that talk about business climate is real issue in the business world.

I've acknowledged taht gov't could be right this time and relly needs the money. Can you conceed taht the new measures really didn't sit well with business owners . . . and not because of the amount of new tax but ratehr the message and policies being implemented. I mean come on, a Chicago mayor has come out publically and called out Oregon as being out of touch with the business community . .. believe it or not, this measurewasn't all good.

But I know . .. "it wasn't that much tax so no way the measure makes companies move."

 

I don't have a problem understanding why people feel emotional about taxes, so maybe that is why we see this issue so differntly.

To try and explain, most people work very hard for their money and when the gov't comes in and takes a chunk away, you want to know what it is going to. If you feel like the gov't is wasting money, then it is upsetting to work so hard for money and give it away only to have it wasted. Money being the most cited reason for divorce, shows that people get very emotional about money.

From a business perspective, the idea that the gov't first looks to corporation and individuals making over 125,000 to make up the shortfall of the budget that was created by the public employees retirment program is troubling. The fact the measure was retroactive and impacting businesses before businesses knew the rules that were in place, makes many feel helpless to the gov't and public employee unions . . . and feeling helpless makes one emotional.

Hope that helps.

 

Wait, they're raising taxes on beer? It's gone too far.

 

So basically just take it and not complain? So when the Blazers don't make a trade . . . no complaining, no whining because I'll always be a Blazer fan so what is the point of complaining? I thought this was an OT board to discuss things like taxes. I didn't know that one needs to complain about all taxes when complaining about the recently passed tax measures.


And it's not like I'm taking some small obscure point and making a big deal out of it. As I already mentioned, this is such a big deal that the Oreogn election was being watched nationally and now being critized by some credible politicians out there.

And to make your hypothetical more accurate. . . when you go back to buy beer, they tell you that not only is the beer more money, the last six pack they charged you for, the prices were raised on that beer too. So not only do you owe us more for the new six pack, you owe more money for the six pack you bought . . . last year.

 

Yes, but how do you really feel about Nike?

 

I must be getting old because that used to be my philosophy . . . but what a wrong time to raise taxes. Small, large . . . it doesn't matter, to raise taxes because of public employees during these times is just wrong . . . but there I go whining again.

I'll shut up and pay the man . . . "thank you sir can I have another" . .. better?

 

It's a recession, what a horrible time to raise taxes.

It's a boom economy, we can't raise taxes or it will slow us down.

A) Yes, I agree, it was a horrible time and horrible emotional effect to raise taxes.

B) The amount was piddly, it hasn't been raised since the 30's, so suck it.

I was actually against the tax until I saw the ludicrous arguments being made against it. Then I just cast the "spite" vote.

 

You can't blame Chicago for trying... but I think he is probably a little misinformed about the numbers.

How cheap is electricity there? Water?

 

Did you guys see Oregon's response to this? Oregon's Economic Director destroyed this guy.

http://www.oregonbusiness.com/robin/2985-editors-note-portland-takes-on-chicago

LOL! Epic. Definitely have a new respect for our state.

 

Your replies are lies and nonsense.

 

I'm pretty sure Intel has hired more than five to twenty employees.

 

Once again, if our state is such a great place for business, why is our economy in the shitter, even compared to other states?

 

What is funny is there was so much propaganda and money spent during this election, it was hard to distinguish who was saying what. The campaign tatcis were ugly and unethical.

For instance, you say the ludicrous arguments swayed you. I suspect they swayed others, especially the ludicrious arguments made in the phamplet for reasons to vote against the measures. Here is the kicker, did you know those ludicrious arguments were written by the union who was in favor of passing the measures. You may have fell for a cheap gimmick by the campaign in favor of the taxes. Suck that idea for a while.