Merged: OT: Mavs in the Caron/Haywood sweepstakes now

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  1. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    true, but I remember hearing fans (and people on TV) saying this was such a brilliant move by the Mavs, and that Portland blew it by not trying to make a play for Kidd.

    Blasphemer!

    Devin Harris was one of the best PGs in the league, who would be a HUGE get for whatever team got him! to quote Joe Wilson, YOU LIE!

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    Mavs weren't "floundering" because of Kidd, but because of Avery Johnson and the lack of depth.


    Thanks for playing, though!
     
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    I'm just glad Boston is not getting Butler+Jamison for Ray Allen.
     
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    Very true. Fuck Boston.
     
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    It's not that Butler is so awesome but that he is much better then Howard.

    And Haywood is an underrated center who is far superior to Dampier.

    I think Dallas upgraded two positions with one trade.

    Their bench took a hit with Gooden leaving but you can't get something for nothing unless you are the Lakers or Celtics.
     
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    I don't know if he's "much" better.

    Far superior? You mean a guy who in his 10th year, and contract year, averages 2 points more and 2 boards more. Not sure if that's "far superior". But Dampier and Haywood have something in common though, they both conveniently had strong seasons in contract years.

    I'm really not sure why Portland would want to rent a player for now less than 30 games, that will probably want more $$ (due to bird years) than what they could end up paying for him for next year IF they wanted him bad enough.

    Plus, he'd end up being a backup next year and it's not a given he'd be the backup 5 anyways, if Joel can come back healthy.

    He might improve them, but it doesn't necessarily mean his #'s are going to translate.

    The thing is, Gooden's #'s will probably be replaced by Dampiers production and Haywoods will probably be what Dampier gets now.

    So that's a wash.

    And Butler, who is a much higher scorer (rank wise) in Washington, probably won't be the #2 option in Dallas. And what his average will be, will probably be about 14-15, and Marions will go down to probably under 10 (due to a drop in minutes).

    So basically, imho, the #'s that Butler and Haywood bring to Dallas, added to Marion and Dampier, won't be any different than the #'s that Dallas had with Gooden and Howard playing those roles.

    I don't think this will help Dallas nearly as much as people think it will. If they had gotten Butler for Gooden alone, sure.
     
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    DEAL REPORTEDLY DONE:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...threat-to-lakers-after-getting-butler-haywood

     
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    That is a fucking STEAL for the MAVS.
     
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    Too bad Dallas needs to send Gooden to the Wizards to get the deal done. He's a great player for them.
     
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    Semi lateral IMO
     
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    I can NOT believe KP couldn't have put together a better deal than that for Haywood. Ugh, this blows.
     
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  12. EGame

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    The deal that was made makes me believe the rumor of Washington wanting both Batum and Rudy for Haywood was false and is what KP wants us to believe.
     
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    Wallace is one of my favourite non-Blazers and I was hoping Pritchard could get him for RLEC, but I wasn't willing to trade Batum for him and still am glad he didn't. I think Batum's expected prime will be similar to Wallace's. I'll take a younger, cheaper version of Wallace without the extensive injury history over Wallace himself. Yes, there's some risk there but not enough, IMO, to get the older, injury-prone version.
     
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    By this deal it's Howard for Butler and D. Gooden for Haywood. Washington wasn't interested in Outlaw, Blake and cash for Haywood?
     
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    well, there is a little thing called contracts and Washington agreeing to the trade you know.

    We could've had to send out something like 20 million for those 3 players, if we had to meet the same requirements as Dallas did.

    And as much as Portland fans think we should be able to get a bucket of gold out of a bag of piss, Webster, Outlaw, Blake and Rudy don't = 20 million.

    Remember, the salaries have to match. I quickly came up with one that would match, salary wise, and it included:

    Webster, Rudy, Blake, Mills, Outlaw, Cunningham and Bayless.

    God damn that Pritchard!
     
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    It didn't have to be a move for Butler and Haywood. It could have been a deal straight up for Haywood. I would have pulled the trigger on a deal that would have sent Blake, Outlaw, Cash and a second rounder or two to Washington.

    They wouldn't have accepted that? Or was it ever offered to them?
     
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  17. EGame

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    You know, not everyone has to take your side with trading issues and how good (or not) KP is... Some may want an impact deal especially if Batum/Bayless/Rudy don't pan out/fit on the team. If that were the case then there goes there value! Oh well.
     
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    That's the risk of baking cakes.
     
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    Why would Washington not make Dallas take Butler and Stevenson, if they wouldn't do the same to Portland?

    Why wouldn't Washington have traded them separately if they could then? They could get a trade for Haywood from Portland, and one for Butler from Dallas, and get more players (with ending contracts, and probably better than what they have now)?

    Why didn't they? Because I doubt it was an option.
     
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    If he could become that I would be very excited. With that said, he has not become that and has been as inconsistent as all of our young guys. Wallace is a proven player and unlike every Blazer fan, I am willing to deal Batum for a proven player. The one thing that does scare me about him is his injury history, but ultimatley, I will take a guy who can defend just like Batum, rebound like no other, and drives to the hoop and is an all-star this year.
     
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