OT: Cavs/Celtics vying for Jamiston..Cavs trying to get Amare!

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  1. noknobs

    noknobs Well-Known Member

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    But lets not stop ourselves from assuming the worse before that time even comes.. Guilty until proven innocent. Makes perfect sense.
     
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  2. EGame

    EGame "You're the only one of these fools I trust"

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    Well, he hasn't put confidence in me to say he can. I just don't think he is right for GM, a scout of some sort, yes, not really GM IMO.
     
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  3. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Or, if you are able to read English, and understand what context means, you'd see that I was pointing out that you can't really compare Butler to Pau and KG, because of the reasons I stated.

    Using those examples as proof that we should trade now, or that we "don't know if" Butler would be that player, is dumb.

    The vast majority of trades don't lead to trips to the finals, but we fans love to act like they do. not only that, we like to complain about teams making or not making trades, as if making those trades would guarantee wins or changes in destiny.

    So who was traded last year near the deadline that made a difference for a team? Or has made a difference for a team THIS year?

    No one.


    The trade the Lakers made is not your average trade. The Celtics traded during the off-season. The Nuggets made a trade 4 games into the season (and Billups was a player who had made it to the finals, and was replacing a previous horrible mistake of a trade in Iverson).

    The year before that, what player was traded at the deadline that has made a difference for a team?

    It's a rare occurrence when it does happen, and in most cases the circumstances just have to be perfect to justify it. We aren't in a situation that really is perfect nor can justify it.

    The players fans are talking about (Butler, Haywood, Hinrich) aren't going to put the team over the top, especially at their cost.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    What does Cleveland have (not named LeBron) that Phoenix would want?

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    Shaq!

    Seriously though, I can't think of anyone, unless they think Nash is winding down and Mo Williams is their future.
     
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    Perhaps Ilgauskas' ending contract?
     
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  7. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    you honestly think that the Lakers are going to get stuff out of Kobe when he's in his late 30's?

    He's played for 14 years (16 if you count the games in the playoffs). It will catch up to him before too long, if it hasn't already. He's not the deadly take over games player he used to be.

    The Lakers aren't winning because of him as much as it used to be, but because of their team. His minutes are going to catch up with him.

    The thing is, we've never been IN the "win now" mode, so how do we know what Pritchard would do? Instead of fans taking shits over him not making horribly lopsided trades (where we trade out more than we're getting back in) for players that those same fans get boners for, maybe fans should actually use some logic and understand that so far, the majority of players that Pritchard didn't trade for, haven't done what they were supposed to.

    For example, Vince Carter hasn't done much this year and is shooting a career worst (by FAR), and scoring 16 points a game. Jefferson is having a so-so year, and Marion isn't exactly tearing it up either.

    It's kind of like how some fans thought that when we traded for Walter Davis, that we'd be getting the Walter Davis who played in Phoenix 4 years prior to when we traded for him, instead of the washed up waste of a player we got.
     
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    Aha!

    Seems like a waste of Steve Nash though, doesn't it? The Suns had been playing great ball lately until they ran into the traveling circus known as the '09-10 Blazers.
     
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    Yeah, I can't see why the suns do that. Dump a fairly young star for nothing? That seems sort of crazy.

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    The Suns always seem like they are trying to dump salary, but giving up Stoudamire for cap relief? Without being aware of their cap situation, would that perhaps make the Suns a player in the FA market? It would be a fucking fantastic development for us, though.
     
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    This is just getting silly.

    Here I thought Portland was willing to make big moves to create a winner but all of the available good players are going to teams that are actually contenders.

    All this while Portland holds to the hopes that at least one of our two injured centers can come back next year and be productive.


    I hope to fuck OKC doesn't make a deal to get a center. Then Portland would be the 4th best team in the Northwest division.

    This does sound a bit Mixum-esque but quite frankly standing still is falling behind in the NBA.
     
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  12. EGame

    EGame "You're the only one of these fools I trust"

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    Yeah, OKC does have a great future. Get a legit big guy or a guy like a Bosh (probably won't happen), but an impact player like that with Durant I'll take their future over ours.
     
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    I was just thinking about that earlier today. If they were to end up with Biedrins (since he's apparently being shopped), they would have an outstanding future ahead of them.
     
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  14. EGame

    EGame "You're the only one of these fools I trust"

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    I very much agree. Hopefully The Thunder's GM is like ours and just sits.
     
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    So Portland should trade for a franchise-caliber star, without giving up their own franchise star? That's very insightful. I really wish Pritchard had acquired Jefferson or Carter last season, when he had the chance. Those are the guys, right? The Garnett/Gasol types who get you rings?
     
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    We'll never know until that opportunity presents itself.
     
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    KG was supposedly offered for the Oden pick prior to the draft...
     
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    How Cleveland has a chance is beyond me.

    Their roster is complete and utter CRAP outside of LBJ.
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    and, iirc, it would've taken more than just Oden to make the trade.

    We weren't, I believe, 20 something million under the cap.
     
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    I don't recall specifics of the required package being discussed, just that KG was offered for Oden. (Presumably, such an offer would not have been made without a feasible return package suggested.) Point being, those deals have apparently been out there, and not just for giving up our established talent. We just aren't willing to part with the ever elusive potential to get in on the established action.
     
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