OT: Hickson/Ilgauskas to Phoenix

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  1. axs88

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    If that's the question, it doesn't need to be asked. Our only chance to even get to the Finals is if Oden delivers.

    I don't think the Lebron-Amaré duo screams dynasty (as much as Lebron-Bosh does). If Amare could get back to where he was 2 years ago and maybe even play some defense, they could get there.
     
  2. Chuck Taylor

    Chuck Taylor BATUUUM SHAKKA LAKKA!

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    If this goes down, it could put up a roadblock between us and a title for years to come.
     
  3. drexlersdad

    drexlersdad SABAS

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    we basically let it expire and got adre miller out of the deal. not oo bad. amare would be nice though, very nice with greg actually.

    what we REALLY fucked up is the darius miles deal, he would have been an expiring this year. i almost wish we would have gave him 48 mpg until his legs fell off, then claimed the medical exception.
     
  4. drexlersdad

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    they dont want to pay him 6/120. they want to get something/anything instead of letting him walk for nothing. simple really.
     
  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Yeah, might as well let him rot on the bench and use his expiring contract.
     
  6. drexlersdad

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    he would have freaked no doubt and might have made a huge fuss, but all we know for certain is that the way the blazers DID go about it did not work/help whatsoever, aside from maybe the raised morale/chemistry of not having him be a distraction.
     
  7. illmatic99

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    Nice with Greg out, you mean? If not, I think an Amare-Greg duo is a horrible combination.
     
  8. drexlersdad

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    i think one of the best defensive players and one of the best offensive players would be nice to have. you dont. no biggie.
     
  9. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    There would be no space in the paint with those two in there. Both would lose effectiveness.
     
  10. drexlersdad

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    i disagree wildly.

    can we agree that amare is a face up player? and that greg has very limited offense?

    amare shoots jumpers 55% of the time. unless you think LMA shooting 66% jumpers at a FAR lower efficiency is a better thing...not to mention getting to the line twice as much.
     
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    In order to pass someone, don't they need to be in front of you?

    Oh wait I get it, you really want the Blazers to miss the playoffs. Your true colors once again... :tsktsk:

    Memphis is at 26 wins, we are at 31. When they reach the same amount of wins then we can talk about it being a problem.
     
  12. drexlersdad

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    the question with amare has always been his poor defense, and if his extraordinary offense makes up for it.
     
  13. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I fully expect Kevin to start talking about our window opening up in 2020 :wink:
     
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    And to see if he if he can now fit in with LBJ and Shaq (which failed even with Steve Nash). I think the bigger question is, what is the fallout going to be like on the title contenders, will the Lakers press for Hinrich and do the Celtics push up for Jamison?
     
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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Just like when people were anointing Portland wins when they drafted Greg, let's not be doing the "10 years" shit with the Cavs and them getting Amare.

    If he's so awesome, why haven't the Suns done jack with him on their team? Why are the Suns basically dumping him for, apparently, Hickson?

    The thing is about "having the best 2 players" thing is, this isn't like Shaq and Kobe here.

    LeBron is dominant, probably on par with what Shaq was for the Lakers in the start of the 2000's. But Amare is not even close to what Kobe was to the Lakers.

    And what happens when Shaq retires after this or next year? The guy isn't the force he used to be. The only reason why he looked as good as he did against Portland this year was because we had a guy defending him who was half the size of him.

    This helps Cleveland, but I don't think it makes them odds on favorites to win multiple titles or anything (there aren't any teams, right now, that should be considered odds on favorite for multiple titles).

    Also, another reason why Kobe and Shaq were so dominant? They both played good defense. I'd take Shaq and Kobe on the Lakers (during their hey-day) over this paring, 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. And were the lakers the "dominant duo" for 10 years?

    Nope.

    Smart move by Cleveland (if true), but it doesn't guarantee anything. They STILL run the risk of losing LeBron. If I was LeBron, and Miami or Chicago (or someone else) was somehow was able to sign Bosh and Wade, I'd sign with those teams well before I'd even contemplate Cleveland.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    With all of the space and attention LeBron attracts, don't you think that it's remotely possible Amare' is able to operate just a little more freely around the basket? Amare' doesn't have to be 'The Man', he just needs to be 'The man behind the man' and that team is going to be tougher than hell to stop. The biggest question is how does Amare' function on defense? To date he's been mostly a sieve, but when you've got the best player in the league riding your jock for loafing it, I somehow get the feeling his intensity is going to pick up some at that end of the court.

    As for James leaving, Cleveland can offer him the most money, he's an Akron guy, and by adding an all-star power forward entering his prime, why risk moving to another team that may or may not have the money or complimentary pieces that the Cavs have. Sure Chicago or Miami might have the cap room to sign to max guys, but what would they have left on their bench?

    Book it, if Amare goes to Cleveland, Lebron and Amare are going to make that team the prohibitive favorites for the next five years, barring injuries or other unforseen variables.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Oden will be healthy, with 10 solid years of rehab, and ready to get going. So, 2020 makes perfect sense.

    I expect some huge mid-season trades to go down to supplement the core of Oden and whomever KPee drafts in 2017.
     
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    Yup. Crazy what a GM with balls will do.
     
  19. EGame

    EGame "You're the only one of these fools I trust"

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    Actually, Oden is putting a massive roadblock between us and the Championship currently.
     
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    If this deal hasn't been finalized, Kerr might well be using the prospect of uniting Stoudemire and LeBron James to motivate other potential trading partners. If you were a GM - particularly one on the East Conference - would you want to have to go through those two for years to come?

    Wouldn't the Magic just love seeing Stoudemire and Howard side by side?

    What about the Celtics having Stoudemire to replace Kevin Garnett, when age fully catches up with him?

    A Wade-Stoudemire combo in Miami?

    Obviously, the dilemma is whether Phoenix can get the two things they seem to want - cap relief and some future talent - from anyone else.

    If this goes through, it might make Steve Kerr the worst GM in the NBA... at least for the rest of the league.
     

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