<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 16 2006, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok with that over, Marvin I think you just let it go with mavsfan/Stack, he won't credit him and calls everything he's done luck.</div>That's why i havent been posting about the subject in a while. Nothing i say will change his mind. All i know is that both help the team win and its just kind of stupid to argue over who deserves more credit. I think the only thing we agree on is that Dirk is the best player on the team. After that, its all over the place.
See but we're not argueing about who helps the team more, I argue with him over the complete disrespect he shows a player that does help the team, in favor a guy that does the same thing.
Dallas has a very deep team and they have other options. Daniels? Griffin? It's not like Stackhouse is needed. Dallas is overloaded with swingmen and need the point guard position more. Terry plays like a 2 guard and moving Harris to the PG makes it even more evident that Terry is better at the 2. Whoever Avery decides to play needs to play well. If it was between Stackhouse and Rawle Marshall than I would say Stackhouse is needed.
See you start off bashing Stack, and then say you'd pick him over Rawle Marshall...but not Marquis or Griff, when Stack has outplayed them both all year, and throughout the playoffs.I really need to stop this, but as a Mavs fan, I want to see all the guys do well, and I'll support them all.But when someone disses one player, even though they are helping the team, keeping them in and helping them win games, and then prop up another guy for doing the same thing just about...it's just dumb.Both players are needed to win a championship.With Devin, of course we wouldn't be doing what we've been doing agains the Spurs...but without Stack, we wouldn't have even been in 3 of those games and won 2 of them. Sure we lost one game because he took a bad shot...but noone else was willing to take that shot either.Fine, I'm done...all I want to see is credit given where its due.
Insert Griffin and Dallas would be better defensively. Insert Daniels you get a mix of better defense and decent offense. Kinda like Griffin but smaller and quicker. Stackhouse did not change the pace of the game. He actually likes to slow the game down since most 1 on 1 play does that and dribbling a lot. I guess against San Antonio Stackhouse is a better fit since San Antonio is forced to guard Dirk and Howard so well that someone else needs to step up on offense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dallas has a very deep team and they have other options. Daniels? Griffin? It's not like Stackhouse is needed.</div> What is the point of this? Stack has been playing great, so he has filled a need and done it well. Daniels has struggled with his time on the court and made some mistakes. But yet I hear nothing out of you but Stack this and that. Also, weren't you the one saying Griff has hurt the team because opposing defenses love when he's in. Don't be a hyprocrite. The more you talk, the more I lose respect for you being a Mavs fan. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Stackhouse did not change the pace of the game.</div> Stack is not needed to change the pace of the game, he is in to provide instant offense and keep the pressure on the Spurs/Grizz bench. That's all, and he's done it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 16 2006, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What is the point of this? Stack has been playing great, so he has filled a need and done it well. Daniels has struggled with his time on the court and made some mistakes. But yet I hear nothing out of you but Stack this and that. Also, weren't you the one saying Griff has hurt the team because opposing defenses love when he's in. Don't be a hyprocrite. The more you talk, the more I lose respect for you being a Mavs fan. Stack is not needed to change the pace of the game, he is in to provide instant offense and keep the pressure on the Spurs/Grizz bench. That's all, and he's done it.</div>Stack has only played great against San Antonio. Daniels hasn't gotten enough time to get in the flow of the game. Same with Harris in the Memphis series. You need minutes to get that flow. Griffin instead of Harris= slowed down game and the offense would suffer. Griffin instead of Stackhouse off the bench equals someone who could guard Manu while Harris continues to speed up the game with Terry. I just don't understand how you only think about is points? There are more aspects to the game and Stackhouse isn't good in any of them. If Stackhouse shot as well as Terry than maybe it would be forgotten 1 assist and 2 rebound type of games along with not guarding anyone and shooting 42% to me is not a good statistic. Hopefully you learn to understand there is more to the game than scoring. Stackhouse comes in for instant offense but that doesn't mean he has to be one dimensional.
Yes there is more to the game...but that's all the Mavs need stack to do, and he does it well.Hes' not asked to do anything else...and right now, he's the better player for us, more than Marquis is anyways.Can't you get that through your head man?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Stack has only played great against San Antonio. Daniels hasn't gotten enough time to get in the flow of the game. Same with Harris in the Memphis series. You need minutes to get that flow.</div> Stack played well against the Grizz, your expectations of him are just too high as always. And Daniels would get minutes if played better then he has. I don't care about the flow, Avery has given him minutes and he has not answered. Harris at least built up minutes with every game, to where he finally got the starting nod. He contributed when on the court consistently, Daniels has been inconsistent and that is why he's not playing over Stack. And shouldn't because from what I've seen during this series, is whenever Daniels is in, our lead dwindles for some unexpected reason. It was apparent in game 3 and 4. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Griffin instead of Stackhouse off the bench equals someone who could guard Manu while Harris continues to speed up the game with Terry.</div> Griff should play but in limited minutes, I'm not worried about Manu because he's hard to guard for anyone, Howard could not stop him either. And Stack does body his man and play defense. I don't see him standing out there not guarding anyone. He doesn't just put all his effort on the offensive end. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I just don't understand how you only think about is points? There are more aspects to the game and Stackhouse isn't good in any of them. If Stackhouse shot as well as Terry than maybe it would be forgotten 1 assist and 2 rebound type of games along with not guarding anyone and shooting 42% to me is not a good statistic. Hopefully you learn to understand there is more to the game than scoring.</div> For Stack, that's the main reason he's in the game. Start realizing that and it does fill a need. These haven't been low scoring games. So offense is important. And Stack is shooting I believe 48-49% for the series. Not bad imo. There's more to game, but those aspects can be attained by other players, not just Stack. And I already stated he does put effort on the defensive end and hope you understand that even though Stack is playing over your boy Daniels were still winning and up 3-1 and I don't see any reason for taking Stack out. Why you continiously try to find reasons to diss Stack and want him off the Mavs baffles me. Also, how about lowering your expectations on Stack. Maybe that will limit these discussions.
Devin Harris>Steve Nash against the spurs. Parker would have a layup drill with Steve Nash guarding him.Lmao on about lowering the expectations for Stackhouse. I was in shock when Stackhouse was actually being efficient from the field. Stackhouse and Harris have been the unsung heros of this series. I will admit that. Still Manu had 26 points in 26 minutes. That is ridiculous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Devin Harris>Steve Nash against the spurs. Parker would have a layup drill with Steve Nash guarding him.</div>Maybe in a few years. And oh wasn't that Parker having a layup drill on Harris last game. Let's calm down on the cocaine usage mavsfan.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Lmao on about lowering the expectations for Stackhouse. I was in shock when Stackhouse was actually being efficient from the field. Stackhouse and Harris have been the unsung heros of this series. I will admit that. Still Manu had 26 points in 26 minutes. That is ridiculous.</div>It's good advice as you love to talk about him when he doesn't play the way you want him to. And what's that Manu stat for, was Stack covering Manu the whole game? No he wasn't.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 17 2006, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe in a few years. And oh wasn't that Parker having a layup drill on Harris last game. Let's calm down on the cocaine usage mavsfan.</div>Haha funny man. You really know your stuff. Parker would have a career high chase every time Nash guards. No one can guard Parker but Harris has the best chance of anyone I've seen. Parker got shut down in the 4th quarter tonight though. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 17 2006, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's good advice as you love to talk about him when he doesn't play the way you want him to. And what's that Manu stat for, was Stack covering Manu the whole game? No he wasn't.</div>If Griffin was in the game he would be guarding Manu. That is why I suggested Griffin instead of Stackhouse.
Somebody was saying Harris becoming the next Steve Nash.That's not possible because the Mavericks run a type of offense that makes thier guards actively trying to score or setup isolations instead of finding the open man, and I forgot why, but it's a major reason why Dallas gets back on transition or something like that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Haha funny man. You really know your stuff. Parker would have a career high chase every time Nash guards. No one can guard Parker but Harris has the best chance of anyone I've seen. Parker got shut down in the 4th quarter tonight though.</div> No he didn't, Parker had more points in the 2nd half of the game, then in the first half where he kicked our ass. 17 to 16, shut down in the 4th huh? When Harris becomes a known defender I'll give him credit but now, you have to be kidding. He's an average defender, passer and scorer compared to Nash's great passing, scoring and below par defense. Oh and Mr. Knowitall, you state Parker would have a career high chase with Nash guarding him, this year's past meetings, Parker has put up 13, 18, and 19 against Nash. Wow those are monsterous numbers!
Nash wasn't guarding Parker. It was Bell. Nash was hidden under Bowen. Did you watch the last 2 games? Parker was scoring at will on Terry but struggled on Harris. Everyone struggles with defense once in a while. Even Bruce Bowen. That doesn't make Bowen a bad defender.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Nash wasn't guarding Parker. It was Bell. Nash was hidden under Bowen. Did you watch the last 2 games? Parker was scoring at will on Terry but struggled on Harris. Everyone struggles with defense once in a while. Even Bruce Bowen. That doesn't make Bowen a bad defender.</div> Nash guarded Parker at times, just like Terry had to guard Parker as well. Why are you questioning if I watched the game, Parker still scored on Harris, Parker opened on Harris in the 1st quarter and was pretty much scoring every basket. Go watch the replays on NBAtv, it just amazes me you question my views when your ignoring he lit Harris up as well. Did Harris get stops yes, but he did not quote on quote what you said shut him down. Just like Nash would not shut him down, but I guarantee Parker would not set career highs against him every game. Your just talking out of your ass with those comments.
Harris shut him down in the second and third game but wasn't playing as hard last game to fight through picks. Maybe fatigue set in on his heavy minutes lately. The difference is that Harris has the speed to stay in front of Parker that Nash doesn't have. Nash rarely guards Parker. About as much as Terry. Nash to Terry are comparable on defense against Parker but not Nash to Harris. Terry can guard 2 guards better though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Harris shut him down in the second and third game but wasn't playing as hard last game to fight through picks.</div> This is where I have the problem, Harris did not shut Parker down. Does he have the speed to contain Parker, yes but he can't shut him down. And don't bring up the excuses of him being tired. He seemed fine in the 2nd half and ot. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Everyone struggles with defense once in a while. Even Bruce Bowen. That doesn't make Bowen a bad defender.</div> Harris is not the defender Bowen is.
