No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insanity:

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

PER is not "stats"

The guy who invented PER isn't even sure about it.

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

Great post "bro"

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

I suppose that's an opinion that could be argued. I've seen quite a few games this year where he's gone missing.

That said he's had a few good games here recently.

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

I know exactly what PER is and its a perfect rebuttal to your "nobody improved" rant...You then point out you understand that injuries could have hampered this supposed "no improvement"...Somebody points to their PER that has SIGNIFICANTLY improved and then you rag on them for their injuries.

If youre gonna go crazy at least keep your crazy story consistent...bro

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

Its not like a team has to be one or the other. Good teams run when the opportunity presents itself. This team is a lot different though than last year when Blake would have numbers and insisted on pulling it back and setting something up nearly everytime. Take Oden out of the lineup and it makes it a lot easier as well.

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

A formula whose inventor questions it's validity.

Pardon me if I don't kneel before it as some sort of devine truth.

Finally their PER being better over 19 games than it was over 82 is hardly proof they've significantly improved even if one was to accept the modern Dodo Bird that is PER.

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

Allowed:
saying they did not display better all around play in those "19" games with no stats to back it up

Not Allowed:
saying they did played better than the previous season in those "19" games and using a stat

So your opinion is valid even though its 19 games while Stomps opinion based on a stat attained in those 19 games is not valid because well....well because its ONLY 19 games


gotcha

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

While some good points have been raised on both sides, I think Maris actually nailed it. The best teams take advantage of *every* weapon at their disposal.

You don't have to be a "fast break team" to score "opportunity" points in transition. IMHO, Nate confuses time of possesion with "discipline" and "efficiency". A good shot is a good shot whether you take it in the first 6 seconds or the last 6 seconds.

 

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Not allowed: calling PER as "stats"

Nic Batum scored 5 points and collected 2 RB's tonight.

That's WAY worse than his last 2 games. I guess he's on an uncontrollable downward spiral..... OR 1 game is too small a sample to measure.

Which do you think it is?

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

I agree with this to some extent; there have only been a couple games I have really enjoyed watching; today, despite winning by a big margin was uninspiring.

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

Outscoring the Pacers in all 4 quarters and scoring over 100+ for the 6th straight game, yet people are still unhappy. I'm sure there is plenty of room on the Suns, Raptors, Warriors, and 76ers bandwagons if you want a faster Pace team to be entertained by!

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

to get a general snapshot its fine....small increses I would agree with you put approx a 5 point increase....thats a marked increase in productivity

PER is calculated using the "standard stats" so yeah....for your lame argument it works just fine especially with the significant increase across the board

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

What????

It's only a quarter of the time measured from the previous season.

You can keep typing PER all night. It won't change the fact that it's just a formula some guy who works for ESPN came up with who's not too interested in defending it.

I'm sure you're familiar with the now famous OKC Team PER which showed they were "better" with Durant on the bench.

You may or may not remember that Portland opened with a pretty tame schedule. Could be one factor that led to Oden's increase... I don't know. Doesn't seem right to draw the conclusion a player is significantly better based on 20 games even with the modern day Jesus, PER.

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

The eyeball test doesn't tell you that Batum and Oden were better than the previous season? I think it's fairly clear...

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

Yet YOU can draw the conclusion they havent improved from the same sample games....give me a fucking break

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

It's an opinion you tart

I watched about 85% of the games last year and about 80% of the games this year.

God forbid I'd use my human brain to draw a conclusion without John Hollingers help. Not sure how the basketball world existed without him the first 60 years to be honest.

I mean if it wasn't for him I never would have known OKC was a better team without Kevin Durant.

Thanks JH!

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

That's a good point and it reminds me of why I took so long to become an NBA fan. College basketball is really a lot more fast paced and up and down; some games are just crazy fun! But I like following an NBA team because the players stick around for a long time and you can watch them progress, and there is the draft and trading which is really enjoyable to speculate about. Maybe I should try to find an NBA team that plays more exciting basketball, but I got started with Portland a long time ago and it's really hard for me to switch allegiances.

By the way, even though this thread was started as an anti-Nate thread; I am not anti-Nate and I think the roots of non-exciting basketball are many, including our personnel and maybe even the size of the court (I have a theory that today's players are just too big and fast for a court that has never got any bigger). But also I do agree with those who say that if a coach really wants a faster game, he can make it happen.

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

OKC probably was better with Durant on the bench...two years ago.

Durant SUCKED in his rookie season. He absolutely sucked. If you don't recognize that, that's your fault. PER or not, there's no getting around it. He shot a horrid % from the floor. Shot well under 30% from three. He didn't rebound. Didn't pass. Turned it over a ton. Rejecting a statistical measurement because, in hindsight, the guy improves is idiotic.

 

Re: No more proof needed than this that McMillan is bordering on Anal Retentive insan

Last night, at one point, fastbreak points were 14-14 on the scoreboard at the RG. The Blazers led by 20 points. The Pacers had a much higher % of points via fast break. I'll take the former over the latter.