Do you believe in it? Seems more like a philosophical question to me, and I have no idea why people are arguing over it.
I'm in the grey area when it comes to this. I don't know. Religion isn't real or facual. The big bang theory is interesting but matter can't create itself, right?
I just don't think it's something we should be arguing over. Even if someone could prove without a doubt that the universe is the product of intelligent design, my next question would be "So what?" Seriously, so the fuck what?
If matter has to be created by someone, then who created the someone? The only logical response is that the deity has always existed. But if you believe that, then how come you can't believe that matter/energy has always existed? Which seems more plausible: A: A deity always existed forever. He woke up one day and made stuff out of nothing. B: Matter/energy always existed forever.
Given life on this planet, I'm not sure that intelligent design qualifies. But..........I have to think something was involved. Where did it all come from? But then where did the intelligent design dude or dudette come from? Shit, now I got to up the meds again.
More like Chicken or Egg or Guy Who Always Existed and Who Also Magically Invented Both Chicken and Egg Out Of Nothing
No and I can tell you why. The guy who invented Intelligent Design did it as a college thesis for mathematics. The problem is, he built his model wrong. When doing calculations in Math, Physics and Chemistry, you are only as accurate as your model. I read through his papers, and it became quite obvious to me as a chemist, he left many common features a chemist would have included in his calculations, out. That being, that in chemistry, stable forms are the most prevelent forms molecules take. They are more likely to form than other chemical structures that would have been alternatives to primitive life. While the chemical structures of the primitive life forms, are stable, and would have been more likely to form. He didn't include anything about that in his thesis. And now some folks are trying to push it in schools, as the way things are? Fuck that. Fuck that bullshit.
You have some particular insight into what existed at the point of the big bang? Because my understanding is that it's highly debatable what existed at that point, and pretty much impossible to know (as far as we know) what existed before then.
When I think about this stuff, and string theory, and quantum mechanics, etc. it hurts my head, so I have to quit reading this thread. I've got all those voices arguing and I can't watch the Laker's, Heat game.
there is no evidence our big bang universe is all that exists. there could be an infinite number of universes continually spawning new ones. or our universe could be infinitely recycling matter/energy in a way we haven't discovered yet. matter/energy appearing from "nothing" at the big bang isn't much more than a theistic straw man. there aren't many scientists that would say that's what happened.
I'm all for the "there's no way to know, so why argue over it/force our children to learn about it in schools" side of this debate. I mean come on. This isn't about science, it's about philosophy.
no it's explicitely an empirical issue. the fact that we don't know all the answers yet doesn't make it philosophical.
i think the controversy over ID being taught in schools has much more to do with evolution than the cosmological argument anyway.
Give me a break I used to work on an oil drilling rig. The temperatures even two miles down would destroy any microphone. The hole fills up with water, and unless it is drilled with drilling mud, the well bore will cave in. My crazy assed brother would believe this shit and send it to me in an email. Fundamentalist idiot is certain Obama is the anti-christ. If there is a god, he, she, or it wouldn't deserve worship for putting anything in torment. Now you got me going again.
I sarcastically posted that video. It's hilarious. I've firmly stated my anti-religion views on the various religion threads here.
It's not impossible to know, we just don't know at this time. What we do know is that space-time has certain properties that are well supported by the weight of the current evidence. And that evidence is considerable. I mean, we have good evidence that the fabric of space-time is expanding and accelerating, and as we look deeper into space (further back in time), things are as we expect. That said, my interest in something like ID is that things we assume are true need to be looked at with skepticism and viable alternatives need to be explored so we can be confident in those assumptions. For example, we assume that the laws of physics are the same everywhere. We then built a lot of science upon that assumption. We can't know if the laws of physics are truly the same everywhere, just that we perceive them to be - using whatever instruments and measurements we can from our vantage point.
