What really struck me about those rankings, was that only 4 of the top 10 were lotto picks. This was either a really deep draft....or there were a lot of mistakes made. (I could point out how many of those guys were drafted after Claver....but that would be piling on )
i didn't realize it was hard to figure out. assists first and then rebounds. i guess. opponent PER at both guard positions shows evans to be better and they are on comparably terrible defensive teams. yep. i did. you showed me stats for the last month to say he was better for the last two months. curry was better in january. since then they've been equal.
I was hoping the warriors would keep him coming off the bench so that if bayless didn't work out this year we could make a decent offer for him in the summer. No way thats happening now.
The numbers are cute and all - but in my post I tried (in vain) to save you the trouble. I will restate - it is the Rookie of the YEAR award. Curry's stats do not compare over the ENTIRE season so far. It is immaterial how well Curry has been playing. He wasn't getting minutes/playing well early in the season - torpedoing his shot at ROY. Too bad.
Boy if this isn't a classic example of the old... you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink saying... I find your smugness here pretty funny as it's you who are completely missing the point... the season isn't over today by a long shot Curry has been trending up while Evans has leaking a little air for some time now. If these trends continue at their current pace over the last couple months of the season, whatever seasonal statistical advantage Evans held will be gone. An example of his struggles that the Kings announcers detailed last night is that Evans has developed a case of the yips at the line... 56% over his last 10 games. That pretty much sucks don't you think? How about his 26% from deep? Curry already holds advantages in TS% and eFG% over Evans. With Monta hurting and half his team out for the year, it would be reasonable to expect that SC's usage % will continue to climb approaching Evans's 1/4 territory... his stats should continue to build because of that. Do you really think hype driven sportswriters don't care about how guys are trending/finishing the season choosing instead to heavily weight the early season results? http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=1&p1=curryst01&y1=2010&p2=evansty01&y2=2010 STOMP
Well that maybe true about Curry making his teammates better, but I could care less whether Tyreke and Martin gelled. Martin could not gel with anyone on the Kings team while he was there and one of the reason they were so bad. I remember when Martin went out with the broken hand I believe this year and the Kings were all of a sudden putting a string of wins together with Tyreke leading the team (which at that time were becoming a surprise along with the Thunder and Grizzlies). Of course, they started to fall off the map and losing more and then lost even much more when Martin came back because the dude doesn't make anyone better other than himself. Tyreke is a little more of a willing passer and I don't have APG stats, but I am willing to bet Tyreke has at least 2 APG more than Martin. There was a reason they traded Martin to the Kings for Landry and not Tyreke (other than the fact Martin seems a little injury prone). So IMO, while Curry has been solid and really stepped up late, his stats to me are still inflated since he playing the ever so wonderful Nellie ball, but I give him credit for being as good as he has been. To me Tyreke has been playing better and if there was any indication on how the Kings have played all year, they don't run a whole lot, they are aa half court team like us (for the most part).
EGame- I think noknobs might have been referring to a little dust up Tyreke recently had with Andres Nocioni during a game. He was yelling at him during a time out over his shot selection which could be perceived as bad form for a 1st year guy. Reportedly the next day he went on local sports talk and profusely apologized to AN saying he was out of line. If this was what was being referenced I doubt it's a big deal. Moreover I think acknowledging a mistake shows some maturity on TE's part STOMP
sorry, but no, evans has not been leaking air. his february numbers were better than his season averages. at their current pace, the season ends with evans still having a decent advantage.
Weren't the Blazers pretty interested in Steph this summer? Man, if we could pry him away from there, I'd be happy. Rudy would like San Francisco.
sorry that I'm so difficult that I'd politely ask for you to identify what the numbers you're relaying reference. Though I'd figured it out with some math, I figured you might want others to be able to easily grasp what you're talking about what part of..."I don't put much stock in the defensive stats for anyone... they're pretty shaky IMO"... is so unclear that you'd belabor this? Defensive stats don't relay what % of the time zone D is being employed or the umpteen defensive switches that occur... I find them to be a very poor reflection of individual performance sorry no. The stats I relayed for the last month (2/10-3/9) were not equal... they're pretty clearly in Curry's favor. Higher points & assists, much better TS% and eFG%, and comparable in everything else... thats been the overall case for these two guys in 2010. I didn't feel the need to relay January as dude won the Rookie of the Month honor. I do see that Evans had his first triple double tonight in a win though and am looking forward to watching the W's matchup tomorrow. There is a lot of season left and I could really care less who eventually wins the honor... but I do think it's pretty neck and neck STOMP
i felt like it wasn't necessary to point out which was which as both guys are averaging more assists than rebounds. that's what the "i guess" was for. then i went ahead and told you why i feel the way i do. so we're excluding the first however many games of february? as i've said all along, the stats for february and march are equal. curry won january. evans won 2009 by a large margin. they may be playing at a similar level right now, but that's not enough for it to be neck and neck with the way evans outplayed curry earlier in the season. curry still has a lot of ground to make up. there's good reason that he's 4 PER points behind evans.
this is award isn't given to who has the best PER for the year, it's the opinions of sportswriters who may have all sorts of subjective reasoning factored into their vote. Hell, the link I first provided in this thread is compiled by a sportswriter from NBA.com and he's got Curry #1. Here's the latest ESPN list... again Curry #1 You can disagree, but your opinion factors in the actual voting as much as mine STOMP
The W's already have SG Morrow who's game is very similar to Rudy's... they also have SG Azubuike under contract who was off to a great start this season before going down to injury. Even without these two under contract I wouldn't place Rudy's trade value close to on par with Steph's The rumors swirling in the Bay Area center on Ellis being the logical odd man out as neither Monta or Curry are big enough to guard 2s. Curry's distribution skills and sweet outside stroke make him the more logical of the two guys to build around. Ellis makes 11M per and is under contract for 4 more seasons past this. With injuries to their top 4 Bigs this season and real questions about Biedrin's mental state, I'd imagine that they'd be interested in getting some quality size back for Monta or perhaps a stud SF. STOMP
It's interesting that nobody's talking about Brandon Jennings any more - and he's on the team that has won something like 10 of 11 games, and is fantastically improved from last year, despite losing their supposed franchise player Michael Redd. Meanwhile Evans and Curry are both on no-hope teams. Shouldn't the fact that you're the starting PG of a really dangerous team mean more than putting up big numbers on laughing stock teams? Maybe that 55 point game was a curse - now he's not scoring people seem to think he's not good any more. (And wasn't that 55 point game against the Warriors?)
Since there ARE NOT a "couple months" of the season left, I will disregard this post as the fantasy it seems to be that Curry has anything other than a longshot chance of overtaking Evan's stats for the ENTIRE season.
you're right, there is only 1/4 of the season left... my bad. Thanks for not addressing any of my questions that make you look silly for taking such a closed minded stance. Taking this cheap out to avoid my many valid counter points to your expressed views pretty much speaks for itself. STOMP
Jennings offense has gone awry. The Bucks are winning in spite of him, not because of him. Bogut, Illyasova, Delfino and the new addition of Salmons have sparked the Bucks. Skiles has them playing great defense. I will give Jennings props for being a great playmaker, but his jumpshot has been shit in the past month or two.
