Israeli Ambassador to Washington: Relationship with US-Israel @ 35 year low.

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  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    They were there first. Do you deny that fact?

    The bottom line is if the Palestinians would negotiate honestly with the Israelis, everyone could live in peace. Oslo gave the Palestinians almost everything they wanted and they still turned it down. Why? Because they refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist.
     
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    I don't deny that fact. I do deny that it matters.
     
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  3. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Yep, drive the Jews into the sea and finish the job Hitler started. What does it matter? They're just filthy sub-humans. The Jews deserve a homeland of their own. They took a desert and turned it into an oasis of democracy and commerce.

    The bottom line is that the Palestinians are being used by Arab leaders to keep their masses enraged against a common enemy rather than have them enraged against their leaders. Hell, they're being used by their own leaders. They live in squalor while Arafat died a billionaire.

    If the Palestinians wished it to be so, there could be a two-state solution in short order.
     
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    I would have issues as well if I was subjected to to the worst of British Emperialistic policies, watched the forceful creation of a nation that hadn't existed for almost a thousand years in the middle of my homeland, and then having an ethnic minority forcefully take land that had been in some Palestinian families for generations. To say they have been fucked over royally is an understatement.
     
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    Maxie I highly recommend you actually take some time to learn about the conflict then regurgitate the usual western point of view. Are the Palistinian's innocent...no. But I would say they are much more of a victim than the Israeli's.
     
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    It seems pretty obvious to me that both sides want to continue fighting. Did you ever have one of those situations in school where a teacher took two kids who were fighting out back and just let them beat the fuck out of each other until everything was settled? That is what needs to happen here. The reason this fight never ends, is because one side never wins. It is always some sort of mini war with no victor and tons of victims. The type of fight that never settles anything.
     
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    Uh...no...

    Lawsuit anybody?
     
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    That is the difference between growing up in a farming community and growing up in the city I guess. Lawsuits, that is pretty much city pussy bullshit.
     
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    [video=youtube;5XBi2p428tE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XBi2p428tE[/video]
     
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  10. maxiep

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    Um, yeah...

    I suppose that when the Zionists blew up the King David Hotel, they were doing it on behalf of the British? :crazy:

    The Ottomans treated the Palestinians worse than the British ever did. The bottom line is that none of their neighbors liked the Palestinians very much. Currently, they're being used as useful idiots by other Arab leaders.

    I wonder where your outcry is for the Baltic States, Belarus, The Ukraine and the Central Asian Republics? What about Tibet? What about the American Indians? Territories are taken over all the time. The Iraelis deserve a homeland and it's not a large area for which they're asking. The fact that it was once theirs before gives them legitimacy. The fact the Palestinians refuse to negotiate a two state solution with non-contiguous borders or agree to no right of return shows they're not negotiating in good faith.
     
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  11. Denny Crane

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    It's obviously a complex situation with no black and white answers.

    There are few actual palestinians. There are few jews there whose families were there before the late 1800s or so.

    There have been mass migrations of both Arab and Jew to that area for many decades. To say one side or the other has some right to the land makes no sense. Consider most Jews migrated there during pogroms in Russia late 1800s and then a massive wave in the 1930s and 1940s due to the genocide in Europe. For every Jew that migrated, Egyptians or Syrians (etc.) migrated.

    Think about it. Yassir Arafat was the head of the PLO for all those years, a Nobel Prize winner... He wasn't a Palestinian, he was an Egyptian!

    I tend to favor Israel in this whole mess for quite a few reasons. They wouldn't be militaristic if they had their choice, they've explored every humane (and a few inhumane) option to get along with its neighbors. It's pretty clear that if they wanted there to be no Palestinians, there wouldn't be (but at great cost). Israel is highly civilized and a modern nation. The region needs that sort of thing, and the world benefits from the work of Israelis more than they consider on the face of it - especially high tech stuff. Then there's the obvious - they have so little land and there's so much land all around them that people who don't want to live there can settle - where's the beef, really? The land they started with was bought legitimately from the landowners. They're respectful of women and even of Arabs - there are Arabs in the Israeli government, etc.

    It isn't all that simple, but a few Reasoned reasons.

    On the flip side, it's painfully obvious that if the Palestinians spent their money on schools and medicine instead of bombs, they'd be far better off.
     
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