Penn Fired Without Cause (According To Brian T. Smith)

The thought plickens.....

http://www.columbian.com/weblogs/bl...ired-without-cause-still-being-paid-sources-/

 

...so he collects unemployment?

 

Shady.

 

Are "fired without cause" and "fired with good reason" necessarily contradictory? Ed O ... is one or the other legalese?

And why would the team: a) give Penn formal notice of termination after the fact, and b) state that there was no cause even if there really wasn't. Neither makes much sense.

 

I don't know about Oregon laws- but in California this would mean simply that they didn't specify any particular reason for the firing- i.e. that they are not trying to claim a "just cause" that would terminate his rights to pay, unemployment, etc under his contract.

 

"Fired with/without cause" has legal remifications, fired "for a good reason" doesn't mean anything.

 

With cause just means something that legally you can fire someone and not have to honor a contract. Like stealing. But firing someone because they make bad decisions/ doesn't get along with people, etc, is not cause in a legal sense but may still be firing for a good reason.

 

Not necessarily. If someone did something bad, so you had to fire them, but you didn't want a law suit on your hands, so you gave them a package to just make it go away, then you could be firing them without cause. I've seen this happen in the corporate world.

 

I have a feeling it is just that there was no reason given. Oregon is an "at will" state and people can be fired for no damn reason at all. Penn is the one gone, not KP. People need to stop pretending that this is foreshadowing KP's termination. KP was here before Penn and he will be here long after Penn.

 

Not unless he chooses to leave on his own, and that is how this will play out, IMO. KP will leave the Blazers because of the Penn firing, even if Portland "shows interest" in extending his contract. He and Penn will reunite and go to another team after the season.

 

You are crazy. There is no way he is going to leave the team that HE built. This is far dumber than anything I have ever read from Mixum. KP is not that far up Penn's ass... Fuck, some people have some crazy ideas... Leaving to reunite with Penn...

 

Firing someone 'with cause' usually has a relatively high bar (depending on the employment agreement) and generally is pretty contentious. I've seen a fair number of situations where a company dumps someone without cause despite the fact the employee had some pretty egregious misdeeds.

The cases where people have been fired with cause have all been pretty bad situations, usually involving the employee committing crimes.

Personally, I don't think it tells us much of anything to know Penn was fired without cause. And, yeah, I'm another effing lawyer.

 

So much for opinions! I actually think they fired Penn, for no reason, so KP would just leave instead of firing him. Avoid the PR nightmare of firing him. I think you underestimate the relationship Penn and KP had and how valuable Penn was to KP. I could be wrong, I could be right. Either way, I'm no Mixum. Dick.

 

And that is exactly what it means in Oregon. Oregon has an "at will" employment law which gives employers or employees the right to terminate the business relationship at any point if either decide it isn't working out. It makes things much easier and eliminates the pissing contests than can happen over whether something is justified or not.

All we really know is Penns termination had something to do with an HR issue. There was likely a severance package that both sides agreed to that included an agreement by both parties to hold each other blameless and to not say anything bad about each other. For all we know Penn had an ongoing personality conflict with someone at Vulcan or at the office and he ended up on the losing end of the argument.

To say he was fired for no reason is bullshit. There was a reason. There always is.

 

With that kind of ambiguousness, maybe he really did bone someone's woman?

 

The thought that keeps running through my mind is that he was spending a little too much time working for his St. Jude commitments on time he was billing to Blazers work. They don't want to bash a guy for helping a charity out but he was essentially stealing so they give him the axe fire without cause to avoid the lawsuit.

 

Fool, I didn't say you were Mixim. I said that your opinion was constructed, in THIS manner, much worse than the usual Mixum we see. They did not fire Peen to get to KP. It is amusing that you are even coming to this conclusion. Penn did something to get fired, he wasn't fired to get KP fired or to get KP to leave. As I already said... KP was here before Penn, the Penn situation obviously didn't work out for whatever reason, we don't need to know the real answer at all (its not our business), and KP will be here long after Penn as he already is. Get over the conspiracy theory.