Fuck this healthcare Reform...

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  1. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    If I were polled, I'd probably reply yes, I'd like the GOP to continue to fight for repeal. Because at this point it's a hopeless cause and I want it abundantly clear to everybody that the GOP hate this plan, and should never receive an iota of credit for it.

    I suspect I can't be the only liberal out there who thinks that way.
     
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    You aren't. I'd love for the Republicans to make repealing health care their rallying cry. My own observation is that whether or not a bill/issue is unpopular, if the party who "loses" or is in opposition continues to agitate and complain about it, the American public gets sick of it and starts to turn on that party.

    As an example, Clinton's behaviour in the Lewinsky matter was quite unpopular. But what turned the polls around for him? The GOP going on a crusade against him. The American public seems to have a low tolerance for a party going on and on about an issue.

    Another example is Gore v. Bush. The public tolerated it until there was a resolution. After that, the Democrats trying to agitate that the Supreme Court ruling was unfair only cost them popularity. They realized that and dropped it and moved on.

    This cuts both ways...the Democrats going on and on about how health care had to happen hurt them in the polls. But now their part in making it a central issue is over...the Republicans can either choose to hurt their own popularity by keeping it a central issue or not.

    Personally, if I were a Republican strategist, I'd drop the health care debate for now. There's no upside for them on it at the moment. If, in fact, health care falls on its face as they believe it will, they can reap the benefits. Right now, I'd be hammering the unemployment rate. That's where the Democrats will be most vulnerable in November. As a liberal, it would be a bit of a gift if Republicans wasted their media cycles on trying to keep people angry about health care.
     
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  3. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Interesting point. I hadn't thought of it in those terms.

    It's really only human nature to agonize forever over big decisions, but once the decision is made you'd really rather not look back because you're so relieved to get it over with.
     
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    Oh, but when the concept was brought up by Republicans during the health care debate, Democrats called it ridiculous. Howard Dean said the same thing this morning on CNBC, btw.

    The mask has come off.
     
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    It turns out rental income isn't the only thing taxed when it comes to real estate. All gains from selling a house that isn't rolled into a new property will now have the 3.9% medicare payroll tax added onto it.
     
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    Damned taxbaggers.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    http://reporting.sunlightfoundation...te-stupak-11-request-34-billion-worth-earmar/

    So much for "Hope" and "Change". It looks like it's business as usual.

     
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    A rather provocative comic, but one that makes the point quite well for those of us who fear our freedoms are being lost.

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    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Ten-inconvenient-questions-about-Obamacare-88853462.html

     
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    "If you've got 50%, you've got about half".

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    What's this? This little monster is still alive? I posted to this thread about 2 weeks ago.

    Look, the reason polls show unpopularity is because the left is dissatisfied with it. Naturally, the right, the 25%, is always going to oppose anything liberal. But this time the left, another 25%, are complaining about it too, because it's all Republican stuff. So conservatives are staking out the whole 50% as if they own the entire territory. They endure by creating illusions like this. If a pollster phones me, I'll complain about the bill too, but I'll be voting for Democrats. So polls on this bill are no indicator of how Democrats will do this November.
     
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    Pollster.com says 40% favor it.

    So much for the 50% favor it idea.
     
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    LOL @ Henry Waxman and the rest of the House Democrats. They're pissed that the legislation several helped helped craft and all voted for has consequences they didn't want made public.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704100604575146002445136066.html

    The idea that they're angry that public corporations have to publicly restate earnings due to the impact of their legislation that makes the legislation look worse cracks me up.

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/267291

    And another link

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/28/d...hallenging-ceos-who-talked-health-care-costs/

    And another with the letter: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025940.php
     
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    When can we expect to personally feel the effects of this legislation?
     
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    When you get your next premium notice (if you have health insurance) and when the new taxes kick in.
     
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