What current players do you think will make the Hall of Fame, based on what they've accomplished so far? (For example, don't say Chris Paul because if he stopped playing after this season he wouldn't get in.)
Shaquille O'Neal, Dikembe Mutombo, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Alonzo Mourning, Ben Wallace, Steve Nash.
So your saying if they retired right now, would they get in?Based on that, it would be Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Gary Payton, Chauncey Billups, Ben Wallace, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash, Dikembe Mutombo, Jason Kidd, Dirk Nowitzki. I know there has to be a few others, i just cant think of any.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pjcolpitts @ May 10 2006, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So your saying if they retired right now, would they get in?</div>Yeah.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ May 10 2006, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shaquille O'Neal, Dikembe Mutombo, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Alonzo Mourning, Ben Wallace, Steve Nash.</div>Ray Allen gets in but Paul Pierce won't? Are you kidding me?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ May 10 2006, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ray Allen gets in but Paul Pierce won't? Are you kidding me?</div>Ray Allen has broken many records and is one of the best 3 point shooters in history. In the past 5-10 years, there has been no better shooter in NBA than Ray. Paul Pierce isn't even a top 3 swingman and hasn't even got to NBA finals to at least fluff up the accomplishments list.
I veiw Kobe as a better shooter overall, but 3 point, no contest Ray.Ok to make it fair I think Peirce would make it if he retired right now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 10 2006, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ray Allen has broken many records and is one of the best 3 point shooters in history. In the past 5-10 years, there has been no better shooter in NBA than Ray. Paul Pierce isn't even a top 3 swingman and hasn't even got to NBA finals to at least fluff up the accomplishments list.</div>i don't think ray allen has been to the finals either.shaq, kobe, kidd, big ben to name a few.
ShaqKGDuncanKobeNashKiddT-MacPierceMutomboZoAIPaytonDirkWebberRay RayBig BenBrand (definitely should)A lot I guarenteed left some players out
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 10 2006, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ray Allen has broken many records and is one of the best 3 point shooters in history. In the past 5-10 years, there has been no better shooter in NBA than Ray. Paul Pierce isn't even a top 3 swingman and hasn't even got to NBA finals to at least fluff up the accomplishments list.</div>So even though he's worse in every area except shooting, he makes it to the Hall of Fame instead of Pierce? That's ridiculous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ May 10 2006, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So even though he's worse in every area except shooting, he makes it to the Hall of Fame instead of Pierce? That's ridiculous.</div>Blaze, let's not make it sound like Pierce is lightyears ahead of Allen. You are making it sound like a Dwyane Wade and Orien Greene comparison. Ray is a very good player and has a better all around game than most people give him credit for. That said, I still do agree Pierce is definitely a better player, but it's not as bad as you have made it to sound.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 10 2006, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Blaze, let's not make it sound like Pierce is lightyears ahead of Allen. You are making it sound like a Dwyane Wade and Orien Greene comparison. Ray is a very good player and has a better all around game than most people give him credit for. That said, I still do agree Pierce is definitely a better player, but it's not as bad as you have made it to sound.</div>He is a great player, but Paul remains the better scorer, rebounder, passer, and defensive player. All Ray has on him is shooting, and you don't make it to the Hall of Fame just because you can shoot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ May 10 2006, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So even though he's worse in every area except shooting, he makes it to the Hall of Fame instead of Pierce? That's ridiculous.</div>Ben Wallace is worse than Pierce in every way except rebounding/blocks/defense, but he will make it over Pierce because he is one of best help defender in NBA history. Players usually make it for the one facet of the game they dominate. Pierce has only been a GREAT player for 3 years in his whole career, and has never been the best at what he does. He has never been best swingman, never been best scorer. Ray has been the best shooter in NBA for 6-8 years now,a nd that alone puts him up there with Bird, Reggie, etc... Even though Pierce as a whole is a far bette rplayer, Ray has a much better shot at making the HoF because he dominates the league in shooting.
Peja is a better shooter than Ray and Reggie miller for the last few years. i dont think that either ray or pierce should make th HOF
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 11 2006, 01:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ShaqKGDuncanKobeNashKiddT-MacPierceMutomboZoAIPaytonDirkWebberRay RayBig BenBrand (definitely should)</div>Brand hasn't proved anything. Hes a good, consistant player, but he's DEFINALY not HOF material... at least yet.Webber shouldn't either. He's a good player, but not HOF candidate by a long shot.I agree w/ everyone else on your list.
Kobe BryantShaquille O'nealTim DuncanKevin GarnettGary PaytonAllen IversonSteve NashTracy McGradyJason KiddDikembo MutomboDirkChris WebberAlonzo MourningPaul PeirceRay Allen
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 10 2006, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ben Wallace is worse than Pierce in every way except rebounding/blocks/defense, but he will make it over Pierce because he is one of best help defender in NBA history. Players usually make it for the one facet of the game they dominate. Pierce has only been a GREAT player for 3 years in his whole career, and has never been the best at what he does. He has never been best swingman, never been best scorer. Ray has been the best shooter in NBA for 6-8 years now,a nd that alone puts him up there with Bird, Reggie, etc... Even though Pierce as a whole is a far bette rplayer, Ray has a much better shot at making the HoF because he dominates the league in shooting.</div>I don't necessarily agree with that, although I understand your point. I don't think he should make it over Pierce just because he's a superior in one category, when Pierce has the better all around game. I'm not sure if the fact that he was good at one aspect of the game is enough to get him in over players who were great at everything. That would be like putting Theo Ratliff in the HoF over Amare, because Amare isn't the best at anything and Theo is an amazing shot blocker.
i think the difference between theo and wallace is that wallace. puts fear in opponents, hussels. controls the boards. and completely changes the game because of the things that he does. plus he also steals the ball and is 4 time DPOY
