Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration Law.

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  1. EL PRESIDENTE

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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    http://www.azfamily.com/news/Hundre...positions-at-Pros-Ranch-Market-91880224.html#

    THEY'RE TAKING THE JOBS AMURRICANS WON'T TAKE
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    Shows how bad the job situation is.
     
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    this shit is pretty ridiculous. other states and cities boycotting an entire state because of a law that 70% of the people want?
     
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    What's the problem with that? SF isn't allowed to disagree with AZ?

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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    Nope.
     
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    Ok. I didn't know that.

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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    That's great for the people of Arizona that need work. I am happy Americans will be employed by this chain rather than people living here illegally.
     
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    I hope Arizona sends a nice fruit basket to Mayor Newsom to thank him for his help keeping illegals and undesirables out of Arizona...
     
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    All I know is that I am extremely happy that I bougt a few investment properties in the Phoenix area before all of this happened. My property values are going to shoot upward shortly.
     
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    But all the mexican restaurants are going to get boycotted! :NOTMARIS:


    all the companies will move to business-friendly, financially relevant....California!

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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    who will do your landscaping?
     
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    myself? wow, cut leaves off a tree. rake leaves.
     
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    That's a great story.

    It makes a world more sense to me to pass a law where the state audits, say, 30% of all businesses within one calendar year, and fines every business that employs illegal workers $500/transgression. Any company found to employ illegals automatically gets audited again the second year, and if they are found to have broken the law again it goes to $10,000. If they break the law in the third year it's $50k. You pay for the auditing process with the fines.

    That seems a much more effective system than telling cops to randomly ask any brown people with accents for their papers. That plan can also work, but it just needlessly foments a lot of ill will (and probably law suits) between hispanics and the larger community.
     
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    When I get pulled over, the first thing asked for is my license, registration and proof of insurance. Why? B/c it's an easy and legal way to vet legal drivers committing a violation vs. illegal drivers committing a crime (driving w/suspended license or without insurance or something). Why am I asked for my ID every time I buy a beer? I'm 32 years old! But I still have to show ID, or I don't get served and could be blacklisted from bars for trying to buy without ID.

    Why is it a problem to have to show someone proof of (insert whatever you want here...proof of gun ownership, proof of driving status, proof of being 21, proof of identity)? It seems a lot like gun registration...the ones who are clean don't have anything to fear registering their weapon.

    Funny how the Nationalist Socialist Workers' Party came from a bunch of thugs running amok b/c there wasn't any authority to stop them at the time. It was illegal in Weimar Republic to beat up other candidates, but the Brownshirts got away with it b/c they threatened violence and riots if the law was enforced. It was illegal to influence voters at the voting booths, but no one stopped the Brownshirts b/c there would be violence and rioting from a large number of thugs. Today, it's illegal to be in this country without authorization and documentation, but people (not just Mexicans in AZ) get away with it b/c they threaten violence and riots and thuggery if the law is attempted to be enforced.

    Additionally, Hitler got his powers by ensuring through thuggery that his henchmen were elected, and then having his henchmen vote for supreme powers for the Chancellor/President, including the ability to perform unconstitutional acts and pass legislation (like, say, the Nuremburg Anti-Semitism Laws). Today, the government has the ability through two branches (Congress and the Presidency) to pass legislation the President wants passed even if he gets voted out for doing so:
    I find it laughable that most of the people screaming "Nazi! Nazi!" have little to no idea what National Socialism is, or how Hitler came to power, or are unconcerned, b/c the rise of Obama from 2006 to today is a lot closer to the Rise of the Third Reich 1930-35 than the Tea Partiers or Arizona governors are.
    The writers of SNL who did that "show us your papers' Nazi business overlooked a major point, one that I wonder why it hasn't been brought up before. The "Nazi" use of "show us your papers" meant that if you were Jewish, and got stopped by the Gestapo and found to have Jewish origin, you were sent to a concentration camp. It's not like today, where if you have papers you're following the law and if you don't you just get sent back to your own country. I'm not even Jewish, and I find it mildly offensive that uneducated hacks are spending more time tossing around names they think will influence public opinion than reading a book or two and seeing that they're going down a road much closer to the Nationalist Socialists than someone trying to enforce a federal law at a state level.
     
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    Well, the frothy liberal nutjobs are just making themselves look bad.
     
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    Because they're not going to ask everyone on the street. That's obvious, since there aren't the resources, nor would it be practical. The law enjoins the police to ask those that arouse "suspicion" about their immigration status. This seems like (extremely) thinly-veiled racial profiling, because I am fairly sure that the only people who will arouse suspicion are ones who fit people's prejudices for what an "illegal immigrant" looks like.

    So, a better example would be if police were asked to stop drivers who haven't committed any traffic violation if the officer has any suspicion that the driver may be committing a crime (that they haven't yet seen). This has already shown to end up meaning "stop black men."

    I think there's a big problem with an arbitrary stop-and-deliver policy, because it's almost assuredly going to devolve into prejudice. In fact, I see no way this could be done otherwise.
     
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    You mean like a bunch of mexicans hanging out at Home Depot?
     
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    Re: Gavin Newsom bans San Francisco Workes to travel to Arizona b/c of Immigration La

    I think the average American cop already has too much power. Anything that adds to their sense of power isn't a big win in my book. Telling cops that they can stop any brown person they want and demand paperwork just seems like a recipe for assholish behavior by the police.

    Funny enough, I'm actually all for beefing up our police force population. If we could halve the number of prisons and double the number of police, I think we'd have a safer and fairer society for a lot less money. And if they catch somebody in the act of committing an alleged crime, be it murder or jaywalking, I have no problem with them asking for proof of legal residency.

    But telling cops they have the right to stop and interrogate people without any just cause beyond being brown and having an accent just creeps me out.
     
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